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    Here is an excerpt from this article. The smear on white gun owners has started.

    Moose said late Saturday afternoon that a 33-year-old Montgomery County man who had been listed as missing and who police wanted to talk to about the case was in custody in Fairfax, Va., on an outstanding auto theft warrant from Florida.

    "We're having conversations with the gentleman at this time," Moose said. He stressed that the man was not a suspect.

    The News & Observer of Raleigh, N.C., had reported in its Saturday editions that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms had issued a bulletin for the man, who had lived in Raleigh and was described as affiliated with militia and white supremacist groups.

    FBI agent Chris Swecker in Charlotte, N.C., could not immediately confirm details about the man Saturday, and calls to the ATF were not answered.

    [ 10-05-2002, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: MikeTx ]

  • #2
    Isn't it interesting that the ATF, FBI, and Secret Service are all investigating this local matter? I can guarantee you from past experience that the federal agencies who decided they were going to get involved, will not keep the local authorities apprised. They will however ensure they get a lot of press coverage.
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    • #3
      So without any question from you of why they suspected this gentleman, you make the assumption that it *MUST* be because he's a member of a white-supremecy group!

      I'm guessing there are other reasons they're looking for this guy. And why does everything have to be about race with you? If he hadn't been a member of a white supremecy group, I doubt you would've posted this link.

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      • #4
        How long until ATF and the FBI burn his house down or shoot his wife while she holds a baby?
        Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

        I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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        • #5
          It's clearly a case of race bashing when the media associates a person as being into guns, militia, and white sepremecy. Oh, all that on top of the fact they were saying it about a guy that has nothing to do with it.

          And if the guy is "into" that, that's not a crime.

          Even after Chief Moose stated that this guy had nothing to do with the shootings, had no rifle, and was not a suspect, the media was still slamming him and saying the white separatist BS.

          [ 10-07-2002, 06:22 AM: Message edited by: MikeTx ]

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          • #6
            I see, so, without wondering why the police are looking for the man, you jump on the fact that he is:

            a) White
            b) Member of a white supremecy organization
            c) An avid gun owner

            And based on no other facts -- well, those above and combined with your little "I had the media" fetish -- you decide that he *must* be innocent, the damn cops and media are just looking to railroad another innocent white supremists who owns gun and has absolutely no motive whatsoever to go out and slaughter minorities, right?

            With no real evidence as to why the police are looking for this man (did he, I dunno, send a letter to a black church saying "I'm going to shoot a bunch of people with a sniper rifle" or something along those lines?) you make a snap judgement, decide it is spin, and will cry "He's innocent! He's innocent! They're just looking to lock up a racist gun owner!" if he is arrested and brought to trial?



            It's the same BS I expect from you. Sieze onto irrelevent facts, and then use them to demonstrate your penile size without exploring any other possible reasons or causes.

            quote:
            Even after Chief Moose stated that this guy had nothing to do with the shootings, had no rifle, and was not a suspect,
            Bolding mine. But I somehow wonder if the man is not in fact a suspect after all.

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            • #7
              QUOTE:
              "the media was still slamming him and saying the white separatist BS."

              OF COURSE....anytime anyone is part of ANY organization where there is no black membership you are automatically a racist and white supremicist. don't you all know that by now? they will probably be stating in future stories that he is also anti-feminist, anti-gay, anti-jew, anti-lawyers, the anti-christ, anti-whales, and even anti-anti!!
              I'll post, You argue.

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              • #8
                quote:
                anytime anyone is part of ANY organization where there is no black membership you are automatically a racist
                Yeah, but we're not talking about his membership in a "white's only" golf club here.

                (And I would say that any organization that discriminates against membership by race is racist).

                [ 10-07-2002, 08:33 AM: Message edited by: CiaJ ]

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                • #9
                  I'm sure they aren't "smearing" this guy just because he owns guns and hates black people. To be speaking with him and issuing bulletins for him must mean they have other evidence against him. You expect them to share this information with all of America? Hello!
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                  • #10
                    quote:
                    Originally posted by CiaJ:
                    [QB]I see, so, without wondering why the police are looking for the man, you jump on the fact that he is:

                    a) White
                    b) Member of a white supremecy organization
                    c) An avid gun owner


                    No, what I said was the media was doing it, no one else. And the guy has been proven not to have a rifle, Chief Mooses own words.

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                    • #11
                      My great grandfather was a member of the KKK. SO WHAT?

                      I'm not(never have been, even though I'm from Dixie AND white), nor do I support their cause in any shape, way or form. Now, if the KKK was still true to its original form, intent, etc, I might view them differently......

                      Face facts: The media LOVES to play the 'race card' whenever it suits THEIR liberal agenda.
                      "When you guys get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a *****."
                      -Commanding General, 1st Marine Division

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                      • #12
                        quote:
                        No, what I said was the media was doing it, no one else.
                        I hate to contradict you, Mike, but what you said was:

                        "The smear on white gun owners has started."

                        Clearly, the media is not alone.

                        quote:
                        Face facts: The media LOVES to play the 'race card' whenever it suits THEIR liberal agenda.
                        Here's some more "Face Facts." Certain Consersatives (I won't mention who) also LOVE to play the "race/gender/gun card" whenever it suits their agenda.

                        The media is hardly alone in having an agenda, and is not alone in playing the race card. To pretend otherwise is ignorant.

                        [ 10-07-2002, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: CiaJ ]

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                        • #13
                          quote:
                          Here's some more "Face Facts." Certain Consersatives (I won't mention who) also LOVE to play the "race/gender/gun card" whenever it suits their agenda.


                          Liberal Democrats are likewise, guilty. It's a 2-way street. That's why my views/beliefs grow more Libertarian every day.
                          "When you guys get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a *****."
                          -Commanding General, 1st Marine Division

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                          • #14
                            quote:
                            I hate to contradict you, Mike, but what you said was:

                            "The smear on white gun owners has started."

                            Clearly, the media is not alone

                            Yes, the media smear of white gun owners has, in this case, has started, and it was started by the media, and is perpetrated by leftists that hate American values.

                            [ 10-08-2002, 07:51 AM: Message edited by: MikeTx ]

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                            • #15
                              And is also perpetuated by right-wing fanatics who can't grasp the "staggering" concept of freedom and would clearly love to kick everyone out of the country who they don't see eye to eye with. Tell me, Mike, is freedom (you know, the all important American value) really that hard for you to get a grasp on?

                              Sadly, it appears that it is. [Frown]

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