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    Gunman, baby die in police shootout

    Monday, July 11, 2005; Posted: 10:59 a.m. EDT (14:59 GMT)


    Police fired at the gunman after a two-and-a-half-hour standoff.

    Los Angeles (California)

    LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A toddler was shot and killed when her father used her as a shield in a gunbattle with police following an hours-long standoff, officials said. The man also died and an officer was wounded.

    The man killed Sunday night after an hours-long standoff was identified as Jose Raul Lemos, and the girl, about 17 months old, was his daughter, police said. The officer, who was not immediately identified, was shot in the shoulder and was expected to recover.

    "He was using the baby as a shield," Assistant Police Chief Jim McDonnell said.

    "We showed a tremendous amount of restraint, but unfortunately the suspect's actions dictated this," he said. "It's a true tragedy."

    The child's mother, Lorena Lopez, said she pleaded with officers to hold their fire.

    "He had problems with depression, his business was not doing well," Lopez told KNBC-TV. "I told them that he needed help, he needs a psychologist, but please don't shoot. They didn't understand, and the police fired, like, 300 shots."

    It was unclear who fired the shot that hit the girl, but officers were struggling with the thought that they killed a baby, McDonnell said.

    "The officers are taking it very hard," he said. "Anytime you have a baby killed, it takes its toll."

    The standoff began at around 3:50 p.m. when officers responded to an area in South Los Angeles west of Watts after residents reported an armed man standing near an intersection with a toddler and behaving erratically and aggressively.

    There were three exchanges of gunfire between police and Lemos, who was about 35, McDonnell told reporters. In the final exchange, at around 6:20 p.m., Lemos held the girl as he shot.

    "We did everything we could to hold our fire," McDonnell said.

    At one point, Lemos retreated into an apartment building, where police said he held the girl hostage.

    Police called in a SWAT team and tried to speak with the man; when they at one point attempted to help a neighbor escape the area, he fired at them and they fired back, McDonnell said.

    Under police regulations, officers may only fire "when it reasonably appears necessary" to protect themselves or others from death or serious injury.

    The man had a 9 mm handgun and a shotgun and was intoxicated on drugs and alcohol, police said.
    Last edited by SW4747; 07-11-2005, 03:56 PM.

  • #2
    That's awful. What kind of lowly piece of **** would use their child as a shield?

    Anyone want to bet that the surviving family members will blame the police?
    Talk sense to a fool, and he will call you foolish - Euripides

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Delta784
      That's awful. What kind of lowly piece of **** would use their child as a shield?

      Anyone want to bet that the surviving family members will blame the police?
      Same old, same old. The police will be blamed and looked upon as trigger happy thugs. The press and public will turn it's attention to the police instead of the POS. Mom will sue and recieve millions from the city. New and "improved" polices will be created and they will bring the incident up again in a few years.

      TGY
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Delta784
        That's awful. What kind of lowly piece of **** would use their child as a shield?

        Anyone want to bet that the surviving family members will blame the police?
        "I told them that he needed help, he needs a psychologist, but please don't shoot. They didn't understand, and the police fired, like, 300 shots."

        They already have.

        300 shots, right.

        That's what they should have done, call in a shrink and have him just walk up to the guy and lay him down on a couch where they can have a nice chat.
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        Stewie Griffin: Sunshine and farts! What the hell kind of question is that?!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Delta784
          That's awful. What kind of lowly piece of **** would use their child as a shield?

          Anyone want to bet that the surviving family members will blame the police?
          Of course they will. The crooks doesnt have deep pockets.

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          • #6
            wow thats pretty sad.... why would a father put his own infant kid in the line of fire??? man

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            • #7
              On the report i saw, it said he shot an officer first.

              In that case, they have no choice. Do they let officers die, to save the baby? The guy might have killed the baby next, anyway...

              The man was obviously crazy...who knows what else he would have done...

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              • #8
                It appears that the shooting was entirely justified, and the baby is dead because of the father.
                Retired

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by That Guy
                  Same old, same old. The police will be blamed and looked upon as trigger happy thugs. The press and public will turn it's attention to the police instead of the POS. Mom will sue and recieve millions from the city. New and "improved" polices will be created and they will bring the incident up again in a few years.

                  TGY
                  Ya make it sound like that has happened before ... Saddly, I know your right. Some reports come out and say the perp fired first, others like the one above nicely state that it is unclear. HMMMM! Set the stage for the lawsuit, the crazy cops killed another misunderstood man!

                  I feel no pity for the POS but am saddened by a little girls death and officers having to deal with that tragedy.

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                  • #10
                    Tonights news was enough to make you want to vomit. The family has already hired an ambulance chaser.

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                    • #11
                      As it read, the ****bag shot first and the police still held off engaging because of the baby. It came to a point where they could wait no longer. I feel for the officers who shot the baby by accident, probably the worst day of their lives.
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                      • #12
                        I saw the wife blaming the officers tonight but I also saw the step son siding with the officers. No doubt the city will settle the lawsuit for about 200k.

                        Originally posted by Stan Switek
                        Tonights news was enough to make you want to vomit. The family has already hired an ambulance chaser.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MAD_MAX333
                          wow thats pretty sad.... why would a father put his own infant kid in the line of fire??? man
                          Because people can be BAD, especially on drugs.

                          I Don't kill a dream for you, but people you'll be dealing with suck. There won't be a shift that goes by that you won't shake your head in disgust.

                          Here is list of things come before the well being of a child:

                          Booze
                          Smokes
                          Dope
                          TV Shows
                          Fighting with the (insert here)
                          Naps
                          hanging out with friends
                          dogs
                          cats
                          A bag of chips...

                          Actually pretty much anything and everything can come before a child. Many times children are not wanted and only kept because there is no where else to dump them. Lets not forget that also add to the welfare cheque.

                          The worst thing is, that some these kids are going to turn 12 oneday and have kids of their own.

                          All you can do is try to make a diffence when ever you can.

                          The cool uniform, badge, gun, and car are just a tease to suck young people into working human misery.

                          If this shocks you, then maybe policing isn't for you.

                          Sorry gents, not feeling well tonight and back to work tomorrow with 18 overdue files.. haha

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                          • #14
                            It's too bad that the po-leece can't fix in five minutes what it takes people years to screw up. Of course they're expected to and of course that will be reflected in the coming civil suit.
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                            • #15
                              I feel for the officers involved in this, as well as the child. My heart goes out to them. Imagine how the cops feel...

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