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  • #16
    Not to be arguementative, but I am not sure I would "haul em off to jail" for that one. I have been too many places and been willing to give too much up to protect that storied and glorious fabric to freely condone someone expressing their "rights" in that fashion. I don't know WHAT I would do, really. The last person I saw disgracing the flag even remotely like that, and it was unintentional, (dragging it behind a vehicle going to a float) got a pretty good verbal lashing for their efforts.
    I just don't think that those of us who put our lives on the line to defend that very right to "express" should necessarily have to have it expressed in our face. Hope this makes sense.

    Out
    American by Birth, Aggie By Choice, TEXAN by the grace of God...

    "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, what matters is the size of the fight in the dog."

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    • #17
      I tapped my son on the shoulders and ssshhed him and a friend before the national athem at a JAGS game AND THE &#*&#&$^&$^ JAGS lost on a last minute Hail Mary Throw! aarrgghhh!

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      • #18
        "I was dispatched to the scene of a disturbance in Memorial Park. Once there, I observed a young man who was being physically restrained by another gentleman. I spoke to the man being held, a Mr. Hippie, who admitted that he had been creating a disturbance, but complained that the man holding him had assaulted him.

        I then spoke to the man holding him, a Mr. Vett Arin, who told me that he witnessed Mr. Hippie as he was yelling and screaming and began to set things on fire. Concerned for his own safety, and the safety of the public, Mr. Vett Arin told Mr. Hippie to stop his dangerous and offenseive conduct.

        When Mr. Hippie refused to stop and continued with his disturbance, profanity, and setting fires; Mr. Vett Arin physically restrained Mr. Hippie to keep him from hurting others, or himself, until emergency personnel arrived.

        Neither Mr. Hippie nor Mr. Vett Arin were seriously injured. Although Mr. Hippie continued screaming at me complaining about "injuries" that I could not observe and demanded an ambulance advising that he was going to "sue all of the capitalist pig oppressors". He also yelled at the crowd that had gathered asking if they could "see the violence inherent in the system", and trying to get someone to help him escape shouting "Help! Help I'm being repressed!"

        Mr. Vett Arin had some slight burns to his hands from extinguishing the fire, but he refused medical treatment and asked that we please allow Mr. Hippie to get an ambulance since he seemed to be unbalanced and might hurt himself.

        Mr. Vett Arin signed an affidavit of complaint about Mr. Hippie's disturbing the public peace, public profanity, disorderly conduct, and littering/material likely to cause injury. All of this was also evident to me and my partner, Ofc. Sackadonuts.

        I took Mr. Hippie into custody and transported him to jail. My partner interviewed several witnesses who gave information consistant with that provided by Mr. Vett Arin. Memorandums of interview are attached."

        [ 12-09-2002, 07:18 PM: Message edited by: Sparky ]
        -Sparky

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        • #19
          Sparky,

          Can I copy your narrative for future reference?
          "But if it be a sin to covet honor, I am the most offending soul alive." from Henry V, by Wm. Shakespeare

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          • #20
            quote:
            Originally posted by retired:
            I totally disagre with you. You don't have the right to assault anyone because they are doing something you don't like.
            [/QB]

            I won't tolerate anyone burning the American flag. A man has the right to assault my flag?, I assume the right to protect that flag.

            Jim Burnes

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            • #21
              Jim,

              quote:
              Originally posted by Jim Burnes:
              quote:
              Originally posted by retired:
              I totally disagre with you. You don't have the right to assault anyone because they are doing something you don't like.

              I won't tolerate anyone burning the American flag. A man has the right to assault my flag?, I assume the right to protect that flag.

              Jim Burnes[/QB]

              Like I said, you assault someone like that in my jurisdiction, and off to jail you go real fast!!!

              Quite frankly if I personally want to burn the American flag you have nothing to say about it! It isn't your choice, it would be mine. But if your mentality compels you to assault someone for that, then be prepared for jail.

              [ 12-09-2002, 09:33 PM: Message edited by: retired ]
              Retired

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              • #22
                quote:
                Originally posted by retired:
                Jim,

                [

                But if your mentality compels you to assault someone for that, then be prepared for jail.

                Retired,

                It's not a mindset that compels me to defend the flag, it's a duty, an obligation.

                The flag will not be burned if I am on the scene.

                Jim Burnes

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                • #23
                  You know the government disposes of old flags by burning them, Jim?

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                  • #24
                    Burning as a proper method of disposal and burning a flag just to **** people off are two different things Crazy.

                    I figured even you could tell the difference on that one...
                    "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

                    Norman Thomas

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                    • #25
                      Actually retired,

                      Quite frankly if I personally want to burn the American flag you have nothing to say about it!

                      I would nave something to say about it. I might not actually "assault" you, but rest assured that there would be no doubt in your mind what I thought about the situation.

                      After escorting several of my friends to their resting place in a graveyard with a flag draped over their caskets, I'll admit, there is something about the act that just repulses me and ****es me off.
                      "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

                      Norman Thomas

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                      • #26
                        quote:
                        Originally posted by C in a J:
                        You know the government disposes of old flags by burning them, Jim?

                        Crazy on Shaky Ground,

                        I've had the duty to dispose of American flags, by burning during several of my military assignments over the course of my career.

                        Burning is only part of the process of laying to rest that flag. You didn't know that, did you?

                        The American flag is to be treated with the respect that any other living thing enjoys. Make no mistake Crazy, the American flag is a living thing.

                        There are no shades of grey on this subject.

                        Jim Burnes

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                        • #27
                          Watchman,

                          quote:
                          Originally posted by Watchman:
                          Actually retired,

                          Quite frankly if I personally want to burn the American flag you have nothing to say about it!

                          I would nave something to say about it. I might not actually "assault" you, but rest assured that there would be no doubt in your mind what I thought about the situation.

                          After escorting several of my friends to their resting place in a graveyard with a flag draped over their caskets, I'll admit, there is something about the act that just repulses me and ****es me off.

                          I didn't say once that I approved of it or would do it. I don't approve of it and wouldn't do it. But if someone wants to burn their own flag that is their right and their choice, and their right, not yours or mine.

                          If I choose to burn the flag like others do, do you really think I would care about what you think about it? They don't either!

                          The thing that bothers me is we have a member on this board who says he would actually assault someone if they burned the flag. A mentality like that concerns me!
                          Retired

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                          • #28
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by retired:
                            Watchman,



                            The thing that bothers me is we have a member on this board who says he would actually assault someone if they burned the flag. A mentality like that concerns me!

                            Retired,

                            My mentality is not the question. I'll debate anything, I understand our rights are to be protected. I was a professinal soldier and I know the laws.

                            I can tolerate and have proven I can tolerate the fools that live in this country. But burning the American flag is going just that one step too far. Radicals can throw blood, post signs and bar entryways...more power to 'em I say.

                            But the American flag is not to be burned. BTW, as we get closer to war with Irag, I think all of us will be having to make a choice between standing like a rabbit while the American flag is burned, or protecting the flag from that insult.

                            It's a very simple position.

                            Jim Burnes

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                            • #29
                              A private citizen, under certain limited circumstances is allowed to use (reasonable) force to prevent the commission of a crime, and to protect life, or property.

                              I'm going to have to look it up, I don't have my Crime Code book with me right now, but...

                              In Pennsylvania, desecration of the flag is a criminal offense.

                              I know a public defender would get a plea for DC, but a good laywer would probably say that it's not an assault if you are in the process of trying to stop the commission of a crime.

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                              • #30
                                Hello to all.

                                Brand new to the board, but I have been doing a little harmless lurking for a while. It's been educational and entertaining to read through your topics and posts.

                                This particular post prompted me to register, however, so that I could join in on this little debate.

                                Retired: Although I agree with you that no one has the right to assault one stupid enough to burn a flag, no one (at least in Washington) has the freedom of speech right to burn a flag to begin with. RCW 9.86.030 states:

                                Desecration of flag. No person shall knowingly cast contempt upon any flag, standard, color, ensign or shield, as defined in RCW 9.86.010, by publicly mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, or trampling upon said flag, standard, color, ensign or shield.

                                The penalty for such an act is prescribed in RCW 9.86.050:

                                Any violation of this chapter shall be a gross misdemeanor.

                                Washington does have a use of force statute that establishes legal instances of the use of force. However, it fairly well details certain and specific acts against which force may be employed. IMHO, the act of burning a flag does not fall within any of these categories. Anyone curious can read the use of force statute here.

                                With that said, I can't say whether or not I would arrest someone who had assaulted another for burning a flag. I would have to look at the circumstances surrounding the event. Was the flag burner endangering persons or property when making his/her profoundly idiotic statement? If so, then the assault may well indeed fall within one of the categories defining permissible use of force and I could justify myself for not making an arrest. OTOH, If the flag burning and subsequent assault occurred in the front yard of the person burning the flag then an arrest could likely be justified (but I'd have to check and make sure that that particular day was not a non-burning day ).

                                Sorry for the long post. I'm sure that by being the FNG that I'll catch he!! for being so long winded. [Frown]

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