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  • #16
    Originally posted by TacTeamSouth
    IM not in the U.S. Army, Im with the U.S. Coast Guard and Its totally different. We dont handle on base stuff. We actually go out in the world and conduct law enforcement. The reason I wrote this is because I want to go to the FHP and DOnt want the 6 month academy. Where I come from it was only 16 weeks. I guess I will do what I have to do either way.
    Oh my g*d I can't believe the ingorance spewing forth from the mouth of LEO's around here. Apparently everyone's impression of what Army MP's do stems from a total lack of experience and understanding.

    Let's see here. As an Army MP I've done a whole hell of a lot more than "patrol the neighborhood" looking for DUI's and responding to disputes. I guess my impression of civilian LEO's has been reinforced right here. "We actually go out into the world and conduct law enforcement." You've got the ego of a 19-year-old Marine.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by idsman75
      Oh my g*d I can't believe the ingorance spewing forth from the mouth of LEO's around here. Apparently everyone's impression of what Army MP's do stems from a total lack of experience and understanding.

      Let's see here. As an Army MP I've done a whole hell of a lot more than "patrol the neighborhood" looking for DUI's and responding to disputes. I guess my impression of civilian LEO's has been reinforced right here. "We actually go out into the world and conduct law enforcement." You've got the ego of a 19-year-old Marine.
      I guess you're entitled to your opinion. But, this being your first post, I doubt you'll make a lot of friends or gather a lot of support. Some of the "ignorant" LEO's you are judging have done both. (I, too, was an MP.) They are speaking from a foundation of experience.

      TACTEAM: I feel your pain. I changed agencies a number of years back. I had active certifications in the exact same methods that the new agency was teaching. Didn't matter. I had to sit through all those classes again. It's just a fact of life. The agency is covering its bases to prevent/discourage lawsuits by documenting the exact training they have provided you (and each of their employees) with. I know it sucks, but get used to it. I've got 24 years in...I still sit through all the same in-service classes I did when I was a rookie. Maybe it isn't right, but it's the way it is.
      Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Matt. 5:9

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      • #18
        Getting through the academy is the easy part.

        There are alot of departments that lose around 50% of people in the FTO program. Good luck.

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        • #19
          P_B_J -- The Army (and especially the Military Police Corps) is a rapidly-changing and evolving organization. The MP Corps of today is nothing like it was, say, 10 years ago. I talk to a lot of people who "been there and done that" a decade ago who know everything about the Army because they "been there and done that" about a decade ago. Their actual grasp of the reality of today's Army is pretty slim.

          I too am an MP. I'm not going to rehash old stories unless someone really NEEDS examples but what I HAVE done is a far cry from patrolling school zones for litterbugs. I have also done airbase security (having "earned" the Air Force Security Police Function Badge) under the command of an Air Force Major as a member of a Joint Task Force and that WAS more like looking for litterbugs and "speeders in school zones".

          Unless someone has served in the MP Corps within the last 5 years there is probably very little grasp of the realities involved in performing MP duties in the Army.

          Pardon my skepticism but I have been in many courthouses and I have been in many police departments and have read and examined MANY civilian LE matters in the course of the last few years and have grown cynical of the moral and ethical climate of the LE and judicial system where I currently live. I have also been at the receiving end of that declining ethical climate (and at the business end of a SIG P-226) so I am probably jaded as well. However, the broad brush with which the MP Corps has been painted and is often painted by those that have "been there and done that" 10+ years ago is quite sickening. The Coast Guard is not the only service that conducts drug raids and siezures.

          With regards to the initial topic.....

          The MP Corps operates under a different set of rules with regards to some of our precious Ammendments. The official schoolhouse training is a bit antiquated and the follow-up training while serving on a military installation is hardly uniform across-the-board. Each state's laws with regards to use-of-force and similar crucial issues impact training at Academy level as do the rulings of the state's court system. Sworn LEO's need to be trained in a manner that will allow them to affect LE activities/arrests/etc in such a way that they will pass the scrutiny of the courts that adjudicate their cases.

          I know of at least one installation (Fort Drum) that was moving towards a national certification process but I am not sure if it was seen through to completion after 9/11 due to drastic changes in SOP and doctrine.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by idsman75
            P_B_J -- The Army (and especially the Military Police Corps) is a rapidly-changing and evolving organization. The MP Corps of today is nothing like it was, say, 10 years ago. I talk to a lot of people who "been there and done that" a decade ago who know everything about the Army because they "been there and done that" about a decade ago. Their actual grasp of the reality of today's Army is pretty slim.

            I too am an MP. I'm not going to rehash old stories unless someone really NEEDS examples but what I HAVE done is a far cry from patrolling school zones for litterbugs.
            You've missed my point. Some of the COPS who have responded to you have military police experience, too. Though you call it "antiquated," it's in their experience base, nonetheless. Unless I missed something in your post, you are an MP--with no civilian LE experience. You can't possibly make the comparisons that they have, because you lack the experience.


            And as an aside: I'm sure every industry can claim that it's an evolving organization. I've been a cop for two decades. Civilian law enforcement has changed dramatically, too. The Army hasn't got the corner on that market.

            There's my 2
            Last edited by P_B_J; 04-11-2005, 06:13 AM.
            Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Matt. 5:9

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