About that Mexican girl.....

[shooter1201]

I read this on another board( www.berettaforum.net ) check the COLDHEARTED thread, and it got me thinking.

I'm sorry she died. I would do ANYthing to keep my daughter alive. But....

HOW did an ILLEGAL ALIEN manage to GET ON the transplant list and manage to receive TWO SETS of organs? Possibly as many as 4 individuals got BUMPED so this girl could receive 2 transplants. What about THOSE individuals...or don't they count?

THEN, when the girl died, her mom REFUSED to donate her daughter's organs so OTHERS might live.

This STINKS...for the girl that died...and for whoever allowed this media circus to transpire in the first place.

[ 02-23-2003, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: shooter1201 ]

[PeacefulDragon]

Can you site any sources for this? Except for the fact that a trasplant was botched and a young girl died, I haven't heard any of this other stuff.

[ 02-23-2003, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: PeacefulDragon ]

[THE BRONZE]

I was saddened when I heard about the mix up and her subsequent death, but after I heard about how her family refused to allow her organs be used for transplant it made me mad. If her family is illegal, I say deport them tomorrow and let them file their lawsuits from south of the border.

[IPDBrad]

Hospitals may place non-U.S. citizens on their transplant waiting lists and must give them the same priority level as citizens, but can perform no more than 5 percent of their transplants on non-citizens, said group spokeswoman Anne Paschke.

"We want to make sure that with such a scarcity of organs that we take care of people in the U.S."

(Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

I have to say I even though this is tragic, I don't understand it. Not to mention there will surely be numerous lawyers grabbing onto this family to sue the pants off and the houses from under everyone they can.

[jellybean40]

I found an article, but it didnt say her parents didnt allow her organs to be donated. I couldnt find more on that.

It does say they brought her from Mexico to get medical care here. I've seen that happen with kids from other foreign countries, getting very expensive surgeries here. It also said they had raised money for her medical care...i dont know how much.

She had waited 3 years for the organs. the reason she got a second set was because doctors put the wrong set in the first time.
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[ateamer]

AP reported that her parents paid a smuggler to bring them into the United States so she could get medical care.

Y'know, we pay enough damned taxes already. When do we stop being the world's policeman, doctor and sugar daddy?

[SGT Dave]

Shooter/all:

I know this reply will sound like a “slam”, but it really is not-or not meant to be anyway. I respect every one of you guys. This is just my views on this, and I ask that you at least consider these points before giving me a "cussin!"

I don't doubt that there are problems with our system, and I respect your feelings ( JESUS-SGT Dave sounding like a liberal ) but I have no animosity toward the girl or the family at this point. I think a lot of people have problems with the immigration policies (or lack thereof) and the politics of this, and subconsciously transfer their focus from the bureaucrats to the individual immigrant.

For the record, I think our border security and the politics surrounding it STINKS! Read this month's Soldier Of Fortune for a look at all the blatant excursions the Mexican military has made over our border, even kidnapping one US Citizen, and yet they simply say they were lost, and our government, trying to keep a warm fuzzy with President Fox, simply turns their head and DENIES that the incidents are even happening. There have been armed exchanges between the Mex Army and our Border Patrol, that everyone wants to sweep under the rug (and for all the bureaucrats or left wing liberals, SOF is NOT the first print media to run this story.)

However, I do NOT blame the BP people on the ground, or the local LE-this is Washington politics, pure and simple, in all it’s splendor. The BP troops and LE on the ground are brother (and sister) officers, and they have my sympathy for the job they do in the face of overwhelming odds.

I DID have a problem with it long ago, and was furious they didn’t try to enforce the immigration laws better, but now, post 9/11, they have made this huge new push to enforce them (like they SHOULD have been doing all along) and now it’s all the rage.

What a NOVEL idea-enforce immigration policies, and actively pursue violators to keep the country safer!

That is such a great and imaginative idea, it MUST have been thought of by someone with a master’s degree or even a doctorate!



Now, though, we have even been accused of “harassment” and “racial profiling” because we are now enforcing something THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENFORCED ALL ALONG!

I also love the Latin and Hispanic peoples, and I get tired of hearing our locals griping about “them coming here and taking all our jobs.” I know MANY Latin people that work MANY TIMES harder for their families than 95% of the whites I know, so I just tell the people griping to outwork them, and they’ll get “their” jobs back. It’s simple.

But remember when referring to “those people”-there was no “cut off” date, where before some arbitrary date, it was okay for your and my immigrants to come here seeking the same things, but that now anyone that comes here is a “subhuman.” I do not condone TRUE illegals, but if her family is here on visas or with permission (which they are, I believe) they are not “illegal” (they are aliens, but not illegal.)

But please-I encourage everyone-don’t let general hostility toward the government, the economy, and the politics of all these problems influence your specific opinion of the individual who does come here with nothing but a desire to help their family member or to live and work in a better country.

(Now here is where the bigots usually spew out all the “harm” that is being done to our economy by “those people”, their medical care, and by them sending their money back home to the families, etc., etc., and how they just need to “go back down there”, all the while saying they are not prejudiced and/or are Christians. I admit to being frustrated by these hypocrites.)

In this instance, their daughter was sick, and they were provided an opportunity to get the best care for her they could-indeed-some of the best in the world, and they took advantage of that. Duke is VERY well regarded (although my choice is Baptist Medical Center, from personal experiences.)

I made a joke yesterday that it would be "some time" before any lawsuits are served on Duke...because it will take a while to print ALL THOSE "0"s on the paperwork!

And I don't care WHAT nationality the girl is-it is totally irrelevant in this matter-I would gladly okay a HUGE punitive judgment against the hospital if I were on a jury. Pretty much, whatever they ask for is theirs.

It could have been me, you, one of our family members, etc., just as easy as it was “that Mexican girl.”

[ 02-24-2003, 09:06 AM: Message edited by: SGT Dave ]

[PeacefulDragon]

Amen SGT Dave. I couldn't agree more.

[SpecOpsWarrior]

I think the family should have donated her organs, but I'm not about to condemn them for not donating them. They had a pretty ****ty week, so I can kind of understand if they were a tad bitter.

As far as immigration goes, when my ancestors came here there were a few people who weren't to happy about it. Eventually my ancestors took their land, and put them on reservations, and they are still kind of ****ed about it today!

[SGT Dave]

That WAS a pretty shi%%y "immigration policy" wasn't it?

I guess we can't expect a tongue lashing from Burnes on this...

[Snoopy1]

The real issue is that the doctor/hospital made a stupid mistake and gave her the wrong heart. As a result, a young girl is dead. I can understand a mother being so bitter that she would refuse to donate the organ to someone else. I hope they sue the doctor and hospital and win. This is a lot more important than the "hot coffee" suit against McDonalds or 90% of the other lawsuits people win.

I hadn't heard a lot of these stories that are going around so they may or may not be true. Also, the surgeon could have made the same mistake with anyone, regardless of where they are from.

[ 02-24-2003, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: Snoopy1 ]

[jellybean40]

Supposedly the reason they didnt want the organs donated, was they wanted an autopsy done.

Thanks for your post SgtDave.