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  • Mitzi
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    It's not just in your profession. I went to a wedding on Saturday and happened to meet the nurse that will take care of my son in the hospital possibly. I watched her practically drink herself under the table. My son was going into the hospital the next day and I remember feeling very uneasy about her being there.
    So far, she has not been assigned to his room but I do intend on talking to her if she is. It was worrisome. Yes, she was off duty but I wondered if her hangover the next day would make her the best nurse possible for her patients.

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  • EPD209
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    I agree with FLLawDog and Spec Ops warrior...Judge the man...not his career....What he did was totally horrible...Its a terrible tragedy on both parts...A family was killed and a good police officers life is pretty much over....But as you know....cops are not priests..like we are expected to be...PEOPLE WE DO DRINK AND HAVE PRE MARITAL SEX...What happened to officer gray could have happened to any number of people on this website...You mean to tell me..no one on this website ever drove a car when they shouldnt have....Non LEO and LEO...No LEO on this website has went out for choir practice in the morning after a tough midnight tour...Come on people use your common sense..What happended to PO Gray could have happended to any LEO or the average person...He didnt go out looking to kill that family...The man has to live with this the rest of his life..to call him a murderer is stupid...To call him a complete and careless irresponsible moron is more in line

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  • FLLawdog
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    David...excellent points!

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  • David
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    Hey guys,

    I wanted to post a reply on the remarks being made.

    First and formost, the term equality under the law ring a bell?

    While I deplore the incident, dragging the ex-police officer to the townhouse square and lynching him to the oak tree sort of sounds... well unjustified don't 'cha think?

    I think that every D.U.I ought to have AND serve stiffer punishments, but until our law makers can arrive at that decision he should get the same treatment in the courtroom as any other person.

    It's what we hit the streets to insure happens. While his awarness of the situation may have been a little more it doesn't excuse others from getting the same. How many hours a week does each and every individual get fed the "Don't drink and drive" sermon.

    How many of those same individuals finish off the beer they are drinking that evening and then climb into the drivers seat of a vehicle?

    Being more informed is a myth. Facing harsher judgement is ridiculus. Not to mention unfair.

    He has to live with the voices of those people in his head for the rest of his life.

    That badge on his chest did not make it any more horrible than the local town drunk doing the same thing.

    It didn't qualify him for any extra attention either...

    Justice... remember?

    LEO's qualify for it also...

    [ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: David ]

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  • poproc
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    Alot of good points have been made. SpecOps had a real good one about the lawyers and politicians, who also seem to weasel their way out of trouble. Personally, I think this guy Gray should be judged like anyone one else would be in this situation. What he did is sickening, even more so because he is a cop and that affects every police officer nationwide. But Gray and the N.Y.P.D. have already been hung out to dry in the media.

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  • retired
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    Ranger,

    No, I don't get your drift either.

    Retired

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  • FLLawdog
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    He intended not to kill Three people
    That's the difference...he DIDN'T intend to kill three people. The rest I agree with, but to support a charge of murder over manslaughter you have to have intent to commit the murder. He didn't, it isn't.

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  • SpecOpsWarrior
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    Get my drift?

    No actually I dont. Please explain it for me.

    The intentions of the officer are not in question, he commmitted a crime and deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. My point is that he deserves to be judged by the same standard as everyone else, no more, no less.

    His status as an officer should have no impact on the sanctions that he will face. View his actions as you would anyone elses, than let the court system pass judgement on him as would be done to anyone else.

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  • ranger
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    INTENT =
    He intended to buy the alcohol
    He intended to open it up
    He intended to consume it
    He intended not to stop consuming it
    He intended to find his car keys
    He intended to start the car
    He intended to put it it drive
    He intended to drive off

    He intended not to kill Three people

    They intended not to die

    Get my drift?

    Be Safe,
    Ranger

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  • SpecOpsWarrior
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    Do cops deserve harsher criminal sanctions than most people, NO!!!!

    We are obligated to follow the same laws we uphold, when we screw up why should we be held to a higher level of accountability than a non LEO who breaks the same laws?

    Heres one for you, how about lawyers, they know how to interpret our laws better than anyone , why dont we hold them to a higher degree of accountability every time they screw up? It's the same logic.

    Ok wait a second I have a better idea, lets hold our elected officials to a higher standard than the rest of us, hell they created the laws that attorneys and judges have to interprit and cops have to uphold. They should be held to an even higher standard than the rest of us.

    Now for the real problem, if you hold me to a higher degree of accountability and impose a harsher punishment on me then you would on the average joe, do you honestly think I am going to uphold the laws that are designed to protect us all?

    Now dont assume that I am in favor of letting the above mentioned NY cop off because he was a cop. All I am saying is this, judge him as you would judge anyone else. If an accountant did this and got 50 years then the cop who did it deserves the same 50 years, but he doesnt deserve and extra 50 because he was a cop.

    Last time I checked the lady holding the scales of justice was blindfolded, that blindfold is their for a reason. So EVERYONE recieves equal treatment under the law!

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  • Blonde Heat
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    FlLawdog, I couldn't agree more. He deserves no more punishment then the next guy.

    Unfortunatly the punishment sometimes is not severe enough. Thats why there is so many people with more than one DUI. And still driving.

    I also think that being a police officer is just a job. ( A great job) But none the less still a job. Officers need to be human first then officers. People are under the mistaken belief that officers are the ones who make the laws. Not true. They just enforce them. So when cops get caught doing something bad or illegal. The press and public is the first to jump in and say fry them. This cop messed up and will have to pay the price but i think his punishment should be the same as any ordinary persons punishment not any harsher.

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  • FLLawdog
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    As LEO's, yes, we SHOULD know right from wrong, and yes, we SHOULD be of higher moral character, but in the grander scheme of things, we're humans, subject to the same human temptations and problems as everyone else.

    Do I think they should get a tougher penalty? No, because in the long run they'll end up losing more than Average Joe because they could(and most likely will)lse their jobs and possibly even their certificate. Not to mention the neverending press on their arrest and trial.

    I don't condone DUI in any circumstances. I have less tolerance for that than anything else. I just wish that when an LEO screws up, he would be judged as a person first and foremost because at that point, in my eyes, he's no longer a cop.

    [ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: FLLawdog ]

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  • retired
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    Vbrenner,

    We have a difference of opinion about cops deserving a more severe penalty because of their occupation. I disagree with you, but we all have our own opinions and you are entitled to yours as I am entitled to mine.

    Retired

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  • Mike Tx
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    I guess cops will be people too.

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  • Cheese Whizz
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    Originally posted by retired:
    Incompetent,

    Try looking up the legal definition of murder and then maybe you will understand. There are degrees of punishment for the various degrees of violations of law. You don't send someone to state prison for petty theft like you would for armed robbery.

    Maybe because this guy is a cop you think he should be punished more harshly?

    Retired
    No, I think that because he drank and drove, he should be harsly punished.

    though your last sentence does hold merit. Police Officers should have higher moral standards than the people they are charged to "protect & serve." That should be a police officer's mantra on and off duty. Obviously that wasn't the case for this cop.

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