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  • klar
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    My opinion is that there is a week in May where we observe for officers. I am one who would rather enjoy a week of recongnition rather than a day. I could care less if it is a natioal holiday that is just one more that I will have to work and get paid extra for. I think the way things are now are fine. I think that a memorial to those who were lost in the attacks is something that should be focused on and made into a reality.

    Police, firefighter, and other emergancy personnel al work towards the same goals in this world. We all are here to aid the community and to protect it. We all know the risks each takes and we have (or at least most I know) a lot of respect for each other. I don't think a holiday (if it comes about) should be separated for each profession we all are emergancy workers lets have one holiday if that is what you want.

    I will remain on my stance of the week long time currently in place.

    Klar

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  • wolfwoman
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    I would certainly never speak for my guy (PeelerUSA) but if I may add to his comments, I would like to share some things he & I have discussed on this topic:

    It's not that cops are "better" than firefighters - or vice versa. There were some VERY valid points made by a lot of people in this topic, not least of which is that in different ways, ALL of these folks risk their lives for the public. The firefighters *I* know will be the first to admit that they don't go in until cops secure the scene and tell them it's safe. On the other hand, most cops I know would rather face a bullet than pull victims from wrecked cars or burning buildings on a routine basis. They are different. And we need both. But ....

    Many cops I know feel slighted, overlooked and unappreciated, in the rush to lionize fire personnel after 9-1-1. Many cops were in the front lines on 9-1-1 but because they were also charged with keeping the peace and ensuring that firefighters and other emergency personnel could even GET to Ground Zero, cops had to stay on their assigned beats. They had to continue fighting crime, directing traffic, maintaining a perimeter, even while their hearts ached to drop everything and rush to help.

    Let's face it, folks: firefighters have always had better press than cops. Firefighters are heroes and cops are not. After all, firefighters don't pull you over & write you a ticket, and they don't knock on your door and arrest you for a $50,000 warrant. I work with about 270 sworn officers who routinely risk their lives, routinely accept abuse and scorn, routinely put on the uniform and go out day after day, and ALL THEY WANT is to feel appreciated. It is sad that some - OK, be honest, many - cops now feel bitter about the praise and adulation heaped on firefighters. Sad but definitely understandable. It's that sort of universal, "Hey! what about ME?!"

    My own $.02 worth on the question of a day of memorial for 9-1-1? All EMS personnel and the victims could share a day that commemorates that, much like Pearl Harbor Day.

    Several people on this topic have said it's time to bring law enforcement to the forefront and gain recognition - I agree. My own personal mission is to create the same kind of positive image for cops that firefighters now enjoy. When I was a kid, "the policeman is your friend" was something we all knew and counted on. I believe that with the recent climate, it would not take much to recreate a sense that law enforcement personnel are just as heroic and deserving of praise as their counterparts in firefighting.

    Just for the record: I am NOT speaking for Peeler or any other LEO. In fact, he disagrees with me vehemently on some of this. Fortunately, we have mutual respect even if we don't have mutual agreement ;-)

    Best to all and .... stay safe ....

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  • Don
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    Originally posted by PeelerUSA:
    I am sure I will offend many people with my following statement, but here goes anyway...
    Well, you might have offended some folks, but that's OK. It IS your opinion and you have a right to it, and a right to post it. I see that you are a fairly new member here. You will see that we all manage to offend a few folks from time to time.

    However, I see nothing offensive in your post. I disagree with you completely on this issue, (but then I disagree with a lot of folks from time to time.)

    Having spent a number of years as a volunteer fireman and many, many more as an EMT, while at the same time being a full time sworn deputy in California, I can tell you that every one of these services risk their lives to help save other people.

    I fail to see where any of these services is "better" than any of the others. Different, yes, but not better.

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  • jellybean40
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    Originally posted by PeelerUSA:

    But now suddenly the Fireman Have become New Yorks Finest???? Thats an insult to the real New Yorks Finest...
    I dont see how it could possibly be an insult.

    Some would say the NYPD have always been recognized as the best, and now the FDNY is being noticed also.

    i went with a guy from NYC and he always talked about the amazing things the firemen in that city would do. his high-rise was on fire before and he witnessed it first-hand, along with many other incidents in really bad areas of the city.

    i know cops do amazing and heroic things, and i'm a big LEO supporter. i just dont like seeing them say one profession "is better than the other."

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  • PeelerUSA
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    I am sure I will offend many people with my following statement, but here goes anyway...

    I have been LEO for 20yrs, and I am SICK to death of hearing about the wonderful firemen.
    Am I sad for the loss of their lives in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Hell yes, as I am about the loss of everyones lives on that day.
    But now suddenly the Fireman Have become New Yorks Finest???? Thats an insult to the real New Yorks Finest...

    It was interesting to hear the reports from New York about how many more firemen, were still missing but the Police personnel still missing were now categorized as others??

    I am in favor of a commemorative day for ALL who lost their lives on that terrible day, but lets not make it job specific...

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    How about a holiday on Monday or Friday of National Police Week?

    Firemen could have a similar day in perhaps October so no one would feel they were sharing their day.

    While those who died on 9/11 are uppermost in our minds, there are those who sacrifice their lives the remainder of the year. They should not be forgotten.

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  • cajuncop
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    Luckily there is a local church group in our area that thinks the same way as a lot of us.

    Each year for the last eight, a local church sponsors an event called, "Back the Badge". They invite all local law enforcement and fire, including family to take part in a service to honor everyone that wears the badge.

    They ask for those who wear a badge to be in uniform so people in the community can honor them.

    I've decided that this year I'm gonna attend, especially since I agree that we don't get much praise, and it's about time that we should.

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  • Sparky
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    $100k/year!?!? Any openings? Wow!

    I wouldn't want to totally get rid of Memorial Week, don't get me wrong.

    But I really think there should be a real bona fide holiday on this. There's got to be a way to make it happen.

    I bet if we get the greeting card companies on it we'll see some action!

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  • Mr.Orange
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    Sparky, if someone wants to make 9-1-1-an official holiday, I wouldn't be against it. I also agree that we would have to be grouped in with other emergency personnel, in order to do so. I would just like to keep things as they are in May the same though.

    Now to discuss a few other things that you posted in your latest thread.

    Sparky
    Fire/EMS are held to a different standard, to be sure. Although I am not sure that it is a higher standard. Perhaps in the area of criminal backgrounds, yes. However, most fire dept.s I know hold their folks to a much higher PT standard than police department's hold cops. You say patatoe, I say potatoe... (that doesn't work in print, does it?)
    I agree that they might be held to a higher PT standard than us, and also might be in better shape than most LEO's. But... They can work out on duty, they have have more free time to do so, and to not take advantage of it would be pure laziness on their part. Though, if Leo's had the same opportunity, at least a third of them probably wouldn't take advantage of it (working out). I'm for physical standards testing, unfortunately, its not a requirement were I work.

    Mr.Orange
    Unfortunately, in the state where I work, there are many fireman with misdemeanor convictions and some felony convictions.
    Sparky
    Well, I could say the same about some police departments regarding misdemenaor convictions. And I know more than one Sheriff who is a convicted felon.
    I agree that there are police departments where officers have been convicted on misdemeanors, as for anyone still holding a job with a felony conviction, JMO, he or she should be termminated. There are quite a few officers in my opinion who shouldn't be wearing a uniform. There are those intent just on earning a paycheck, but dont want to work for it. In Massachusetts, you can make some serious $$$, if you want to work overtime and details. If you dont want to have a life, you can make $100K and more. Man this is a rant

    Thanks for the discussion Sparky, at least we kept it civil.

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  • Sparky
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    Mr. Orange: "I don't want to get rid of the National Law Enforcement Memorial that is held in May to join or be grouped together with other emergency personnel."

    I agree that it is nice that we currently have a whole week. However, I'm also sure than inthe span of time of a whole week, we can find room to remember fire and ems worers, too.

    "Unfortunately, in the state where I work, there are many fireman with misdemeanor convictions and some felony convictions...we are held to a much higher standards, and therefore I rather keep things the way they are."

    Well, I could say the same about some police departments regarding misdemenaor convictions. And I know more than one Sheriff who is a convicted felon.

    Fire/EMS are held to a different standard, to be sure. Although I am not sure that it is a higher standard. Perhaps in the area of criminal backgrounds, yes. However, most fire dept.s I know hold their folks to a much higher PT standard than police department's hold cops. You say patatoe, I say potatoe... (that doesn't work in print, does it?)

    Basically, I understand that you would be against a combined LE/Fire/EMS Memorial day because you feel LE deserves it's own day. Also, you wouldn't want to change from the week in May that we currently have.

    On the first part, realistically speaking, I don't think we have a snowball's chance in West Texas of getting a LE only Official Holiday. Our chances are much better if Fire/EMS are included.

    On the scond part, okay, let's keep it in May. I thought it would be nice to have the 9/11 because of 9-1-1 and also to commemorate the LE/Fire/EMS personell who lost thier lives helping others at the WTC. Undoubtable the single largest loss of life to emergency personnel in a single incident.

    There's alot of wiggle room on this one folks, but I am dead serious about ths being an official paid holiday.

    We can change the date.

    We can include other services or not.

    But let's get an official paid holiday.

    Any other suggestions? We've got two on the table.

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  • Mr.Orange
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    All I'm saying is that I don't want to get rid of the National Law Enforcement Memorial that is held in May to join or be grouped together with other emergency personnel. Its that simple, and again, I know I am not alone in how I or other feels about this.

    [QUOTE] The only difference between fire and police is they think we're nuts for getting shot at; and we think they are nuts for running into burning buildings.[QUOTE]

    I disagree that thats the only difference between the two occupations. Unfortunately, in the state where I work, there are many fireman with misdemeanor convictions and some felony convictions. I don't or I am not aware of anyone with a conviction of any kind in the Department where I work (close to 200 officers). I can't say that for the local F.D. That doesn't mean I think they're all convicts, I just feel that we are held to a much higher standards, and therefore I rather keep things the way they are.

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  • Sparky
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    Mr. Orange: yes, we do have different jobs. So do patrolmen and detectives and jailers and K-9 handlers. The Air Force has a different job than the Marines, but there's only one Veterans Day.

    I see no good reason not to include Fire and EMS. We are all folks who run TO the trouble, and we are all folks who end up in harms way because of it.

    The only difference between fire and police is they think we're nuts for getting shot at; and we think they are nuts for running into burning buildings.

    H8Criminals: Yes. We should remember the innocent victims from 9/11 as well as OK City, but if we're going to remember innocent victims, then I would want to find a way to include them all. What about all of the other murder victims?

    The events of 9/11 were so terrible, that I would agree to give them a special day. It was an attack on our entire country.

    But I see no reason why it can't coincide with an offical holiday to especially remember those that went in to help the victims, at great risk to their own safety, who then lost their lives.

    I don't mean to sound callous. I care very deeply for victims. My job is to work for them and I take their needs very seriously. I've spent most of my adult life working to protect the public. As an investigator, I work closely with victims of violent crime and thier loved ones. I view my ultimate responsibilty to be to those victims.

    But I hold a extra-special place in my heart for the cops and firemen and ems folks who aren't victims by happenstance, but rather because they put themselves in harms way to help others.

    I hold a special place in my heart for the fire and ems guys who I know won't wait for a "secure scene" when it is an officer that is down.

    I feel every sympathy for victims and their families, but I know that fireman will run into my burning house to save my kids.

    Not to lessen the loss of other victims, but I gotta be honest and say that I look at other cops and firemen and ems workers as heros. That's why I wanted to grow up and be a cop.. and it's why I enjoy my job. I get to work with great people.

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  • H8Criminals
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    I'm with Mr Orange ... September 11th is a day for everyone, not just the emergency personnel who lost their lives. There were secretaries, office workers, janitorial staff, general Maint. workers, delivery personnel, kitchen workers, food service preps etc ... I don't know why that specific week in May was chosen, but I'm sure there is a reason. Although I am on the west coast, I would one day like to get back east to work that event with my fellow officers, as our department is one of the primary sponsors ... I like the idea of having a national holiday to remember those lost, but, we should also look in to having one to remember the people lost in the Oklahoma City bombing as well ... that too was a terrorist act ... just an internal one.

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  • Mr.Orange
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    I'm for a national day of observance on 9/11, for all the people who lost their lives. Not just for emergency personnel.

    As for changing the format or oberservations in May for Law Enforcement, I disagree. I for one, don't want the firefighters lumped in with Leo's. We have two different jobs, completely different qualifications for hiring purposes, and it shouldn't be tinkered with. Also, I strongly doubt that the majority of Leo's would be in favor. JMO.

    [ 02-19-2002: Message edited by: Mr.Orange ]

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Great idea, Sparky. I have often wondered if 9/11 was chosen as the date for the attack because 9-1-1 is an emergency number. Perhaps it was just a coincidence, but we will probably never really know.

    As far as I am concerned, you guys earned a day of your own long before 9/11. I hope it happens soon.

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