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  • #31
    Sorry for going slightly off topic. I had read in one of the news papers that a Judge actually ordered to juvenile offenders (I think their crime was related to some race,colour etc.) to watch the movie "Gandhi" (Columbia Production, starring Ben Kingsley).

    For us Indians that movie is always a good one, but I don't know how US citizens feel. And secondly can a US judge order punishments like these. In India, a judge can imprison a person, but not make him watch movies !!!
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    • #32
      Work with me slow Jim........

      I understand about paying taxes where you are at, but I want to know will you pay US income tax..you know, the ones due April 15th?

      Also, you said the Indian court would work "with" the US Supreme Court. Is that to say it would be equal?

      Lastly, not trying to be flippant, but being first doesn't always mean you get to keep something. If I live in an all white neighborhood, can we exclude blacks because we were here first?

      And what of the nomadic tribes that didn't own land? How do they now claim to have been taken from them if they didn't claim owenrship in the first place?

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      • #33
        I think he means like a dual citizenship. Like a "nation in exile".

        They live in the US and are subject to all our laws, etc...but they are also citizens of a certain other nation and also subject to theirs.

        You can live on "the res" I guess and it would be like living in a foreign country in many respects, and when "off the res", you'd sort of be a "citizen at large"...maybe have certain types of "diplomatic immunity" (which forms of already exist).

        Or am I following this correctly?
        -Sparky

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        • #34
          I'm very curious about the income tax question. Would it be paid?

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          • #35
            Sorry about the delay; family details.

            The residents of the separate nations would not pay federal income tax to the American government, because they would be legal residents of the separate nations. Such tax would go to the nations.

            Citizens of the nations who chose to live outside the borders of the nations would be subject to American federal tax. Just as it is now.


            The U.S. Supreme Court and the Nations Supreme Court would be equal in law. This is because the nations would be in fact, separate from the American Federal Government. You are considering that the nations would hold an inferior status, as like states to Federal level. But what I am saying is, the Native American nations would be exist as totally separate political units.

            We would make it formal. What has always existed on this land, but was always ignored by the invaders.

            Think of it as the present relationship with Mexico; the Native American nations would be another country, but confined within the present borders of America.

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            When stolen property is found, it is never left in the possession of the thief. If possible it is returned to the owner. That's a fact of English common law which for vague reason, is forgotten where our home is concerned. Logic dictates most land can't be returned, but there is still enough for our nations to settle into.

            Now, comes into play the the special Eurocentric concept of Might Makes Right. Of Manifast Destiny, et al. On the other hand, let me say, if the invaders had the right to take it, I've got the right to take it back.

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            I would reply to the question regards nomadic tribes (they not having original land to recover), but which tribes? All tribes had land of some kind to claim, even the Whalers had some open ocean space and dry land too for a little produce...

            Jim Burnes

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            • #36
              "The residents of the separate nations would not pay federal income tax to the American government"

              Then would you pay for services from the US, such as defense or the air traffic control system? Or would you have your own military?

              "The U.S. Supreme Court and the Nations Supreme Court would be equal in law."

              Then the court idea is doomed from the start. You can't have both courts be equal. If there is a conflict between the two, there would be no way of resolving it. One must be superior or the two nations must be ENTIRELY seperated.

              "but was always ignored by the invaders."

              I think I've been polite, but if we're going to start using labels, this isn't going to go far.

              "Think of it as the present relationship with Mexico; the Native American nations would be another country, but confined within the present borders of America."

              Ok, I'll buy off on you being totally seperate, but I do mean totally. Retain your citizen ship if you like, but if you won't be paying taxes and not subject to the legal system (leaving any who would do business with you at the mercy of a court in which their interests are certainly not at the front), then I'd severe ALL services and allow you to negotiate them, as a soverign country, like any other country does. You could ask for foreign aid etc, but as a seperate nation, you shouldn't expect a common defense, health system (like the CDC or NIH etc) or anything else if you're not paying for their existence.

              "On the other hand, let me say, if the invaders had the right to take it, I've got the right to take it back."

              Except that you are forgetting something important Jim, it was never yours. It may have belonged to an ancestor of yours, but can you say, beyond any reasonable doubt, that if the "invaders" hadn't come along, you would have inherited it? Can you say that some other tribe would not have conqured yours and driven your tribe from it? Could it have changed hands several times by now?

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              • #37
                First of all to Sparky, I apologize for the all caps. It has just been a bad habit for me. I will attempt to remind myself to not use them always.


                Now back to the topic:

                Niteshift the parent complained because she said the teacher(my mother in law) had no right to put her hands on her child. She threatened to sue the school board, thus she was fired!
                "REMEMBER, COPS ARE YOUR FRIENDS !!"

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                • #38
                  Don't stop them now it's getting good.
                  Don't Fight Fair!
                  Fight To Win!

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                  • #39
                    Well I'll enter my two bits worth. If someone doesn't want to be an American, I don't care, hell, I suggest they leave the country! Either you are an American, or you aren't, there is no two way road. This crap about who was here first may have had some validity 200 years ago, but not now. None of us were there then, and none of us had anything to do with what happened 200 years ago! I have a zero guilt complex!

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