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  • wonderwoman
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    quote:
    Originally posted by PeteBroccolo:
    The difference being, is that Sideshow Bob, wonderwoman and I live in a country where, in general, we do not need to worry about us, or our families, having to "pack" all the time.

    I agree.... unfortunaly Pete, some have taken your comment to suggest all kinds of things you never suggested. All of a sudden you are insulting others, you think we have no rape etceteras etceteras.....

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  • Sideshow Bob
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    Yes you are right, Canada has approx 30 million, the States has approx 291 million. But if you look how the stats were accumulated, it's done per city with population of 500 thousand and also per 100 thousand, over all population isn't a factor. But I'm getting bored of this topic.

    As for your politicians, isn't there something in you Constitution that says that you can challenge them to a dual or something. If not, I can smell an amendment !

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  • Mike Tx
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    Those statistics are meaningless. We've got a whole lot more people here, and all our politicians are corrupt because they keep passing laws that let criminals get away with crimes.

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  • Sideshow Bob
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    I must have given the impression that I think that there is no crime here in Canada, that was not my intent. Of course there is crime in Canada, it's just the times we all live in. I was merely stating that Canadians, as a whole, do not feel the need to arm ourselves every time we leave the house.

    We do have crime, but , violent crimes in Canada are substantially lower here, than there, it's just fact. Here's some stats, a little old, but pertinent:
    http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/011218/d011218b.htm

    Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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  • Mike Tx
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    Bob, if it's so much safer there, what ever could be the reason to have police?

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  • Sideshow Bob
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    So if a drunk walks up to a woman and kisses her, gets slapped, and retreats that is treated as serious as rape in Canada? Or is rape treated as lightly as the unwanted kiss?

    It sexual assualt, it's up the Crown Attorney if he/she wants to procceed a with a Summary (less serious) or Indictable (more serious) offense.

    If there is injuries, it's Aggravated Sexual Assault (indictable).

    If there is a weapon, it's Sexual Assualt with a Weapon (indictable).

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  • Bill R
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    Sideshow Bob:
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    Sexual Assault is the legal term used throughout Canada to refer to any form of sexual contact without voluntary consent. Kissing, fondling, vaginal intercourse, anal intercourse, and oral sex are all examples of sexual assault if they are done without voluntary consent.

    So if a drunk walks up to a woman and kisses her, gets slapped, and retreats that is treated as serious as rape in Canada? Or is rape treated as lightly as the unwanted kiss?

    [ 05-25-2003, 12:03 PM: Message edited by: Bill R ]

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  • Sideshow Bob
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    Is this true that Canadians can't even carry defense spray?!?! Nowhere in the ENTIRE country?!?!

    Yep! It's true. In Canada pepper spray is considered a prohibited weapon. Although some companies get around this by selling "dog repellant" or "bear repellant" [Wink] !

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    It is a well known fact that Canada and England are so safe that they don't even have police there.

    Mike, Mike, Mike, there you go again talking out of your ***!! Which is a direct result of having your head in your *** !!

    Yes Mike, there are police officer in Canada...we have guns and everthing !

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  • Sideshow Bob
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    A Canadian member of this forum recently posted some statistics comparing crime statistics between the two countries, and if I'm not mistaken Canada has a 2 1/2 times greater incidence of forcible rape than the US, based on those stats.

    I would be interested in seeing these stats, as the term "rape" hasn't been used in Canada for some time.

    Sexual Assault is the legal term used throughout Canada to refer to any form of sexual contact without voluntary consent. Kissing, fondling, vaginal intercourse, anal intercourse, and oral sex are all examples of sexual assault if they are done without voluntary consent.

    So you see, if a person simply reports an unwanted kiss, this is classified as Sexual Assault. Sexual assault includes a wide range of unwanted contact, not just "rape". This would account for the higher stat, because Canada would keep stats on Sexual Assault as a whole, not just "rape".

    I don't want to highjack this thread any longer because it carries a very important theme regarding violence against women. If anyone would like to debate "which country is safer", it can be done on another post.

    [ 05-25-2003, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: Sideshow Bob ]

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  • Mike Tx
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    It is a well known fact that Canada and England are so safe that they don't even have police there.

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  • Sparky
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    Whoa Nelly!

    Is this true that Canadians can't even carry defense spray?!?! Nowhere in the ENTIRE country?!?!

    ???

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  • Sig220Man
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    I think what Pete was saying...and correct me if I'm wrong Pete...we as Canadians just simply feel that there is not an overwhelming need to carry a firearm all the time. This is not a statement belittling the suffering of those who have been subject to these terrible crimes...it's a statement of fact that Canadians, as a whole, feel comfortable in their day to day lives, not to carry a gun.
    That may be true, but the fact remains that Canadian women are not only at considerable risk for sexual assault, but are actually at HIGHER RISK than their American counterparts. A Canadian member of this forum recently posted some statistics comparing crime statistics between the two countries, and if I'm not mistaken Canada has a 2 1/2 times greater incidence of forcible rape than the US, based on those stats.

    Whether or not the reluctance of the Canadian public to carry weapons of self-defense is a factor in that is debatable. But if I were a Canadian woman, those statistics combined with my inability to legally carry pepper spray, much less a firearm, would have me very concerned indeed.

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  • Royce
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    edited out original post.
    Oh well, by the time this would have been read it will be monday and the post will be at the bottom. But other post here would tell me the answer is yes.

    [ 05-24-2003, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: Royce ]

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  • CinaC
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    Or that there are more predators in urban environments, as opposed to rural.

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  • Sideshow Bob
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    Pete... don't try to get us all to believe that you don't have rapists in Canada. On behalf of all of the sexual assault victims IN Canada, I will tell you to STUFF IT!

    Whether or not one needs, or does not need "to pack" is a matter of subjective opinion. But please do not attempt to assert that women in Canada are somehow less at-risk for predatroy sexual assualt merely due to geographic location. That's more than a little insulting.

    Sparky,

    I don't think the intent was to insult anyone here. By no means does anyone from Canada believe we live in a utopia were sexual assault is non-existent. Or violence against women simply doesn't happen here; no one is that naive.

    I think what Pete was saying...and correct me if I'm wrong Pete...we as Canadians just simply feel that there is not an overwhelming need to carry a firearm all the time. This is not a statement belittling the suffering of those who have been subject to these terrible crimes...it's a statement of fact that Canadians, as a whole, feel comfortable in their day to day lives, not to carry a gun.

    [ 05-24-2003, 12:16 AM: Message edited by: Sideshow Bob ]

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