Pinkos strike again!

[ateamer]

Those commie California gimps have done it again! In the wake of the attacks, American flags were hanging from most freeway overpasses, secured to the chainlink fencing. A pair of our local liberal alternative lifestyle female Sasquatches hung a banner saying "At What Cost" next to a flag. It was promptly removed by the authorities after it was seen flapping in the wind and about to fall into traffic.

The protestors wasted no time in filing suit, saying their First Amendment rights were abridged. They said it was unconstitutional to not allow opposing sentiments to be flown right next to the flag, never mind that their sign presented a significant traffic hazard.

Well, the retarded monkey in the black robe agreed with the pinkos, and now in California, displaying the American flag is prohibited unless anti-American forces are given equal opportunity to display their twisted messages.

What is going on? This is the state that gave us John Wayne, Ronald Reagan, Orange County and Daryl Gates. Since when is patriotism wrong? I gotta call the airport and find out how much it costs to have a "America-love it or leave it" banner flown over Santa Cruz.

[nickg]

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"Well, the retarded monkey in the black robe agreed with the pinkos, and now in California, displaying the American flag is prohibited unless anti-American forces are given equal opportunity to display their twisted messages."

that's the problem. whether it is flag waving, or saying a prayer before a breakfast, or allowing santa claus in your parade, it seems no one has the BALLS to stand up for their rights anymore and say "shove it up your @$$" too many people are afraid of getting their hands slapped instead of taking a stand. maybe if more people would stand up to these liberal F$%^S and the ACLU they wouldn't be able to wield as much power as they do. but as long as citizens let these morons lead us like sheep to a slaughter, this crap will continue.

since when do a few carry more weight than a majority in America?? THAT is what p!$$es me off!!!

[Malnurtured Snay]

I hate to say it (no, I really don't), but "At What Cost" is a perfectly valid question to ask.

Two nights ago, George W. Bush pretty much outlined out next targets: Iraq, North Korea, Iran.

At what cost will it take to route those governments? North Korea will have nuclear weapons soon, and all three certainly have a better military then the Taliban. We have Kurdish allies in Iraq, but it's unlikely the Turks will allow us to utilize them for fear we'd give them their own country afterwards.

In Afghanistan, we lost a few dozen soldiers -- a few dead in combat, some in accidents at staging areas, other have lost limbs.

What will we see in Iran, Iraq and North Korea? With Saudi Arabia asking us to reduce our military presense in the country, finding a staging area for an invasion will be difficult. And if we don't have the broad coalition forces that we did in '91 for an invasion, our casualties will possibly be a lot higher then we previously suffered.

At what cost? Yes, indeed. Valid complaints, valid questions -- at what cost, when our soldiers come back in bodybags? Do we need or want another Vietnam?

Patriotism must ALWAYS involve questioning the government. ALWAYS question its motives in doing what its doing, ALWAYS question the wisdom of government's actions. IMHO, that is the most patriotic thing anyone can do.

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On other matters, not all liberals are "pinkos," don't generalize (it's about as valid as generalizing the right-wing as "fascists" ... some on the far far right are, but the vast majority aren't). A lot of us are just socialists (and no, socialism is not the same as communism, and certainly not the same as Lenin-Communism). And the ACLU is devoted to protecting the Bill of Rights -- you know, the first ten Ammendments? Free speech, seperation of state and religion, right to bear arms, etc. Great organization.

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[Niteshift]

They must have made the wrong argument. The government is the owner of the overpass and it decided to put up a flag, symbolic of a government, not as a social statement.

In light of this decision, maybe Jeffery can transfer his obsession with the FL Supreme Court to a more deserving court.

Malnurtured: You're new. I'll give you a pass today........there will be others that will respond to you.

[TheMdntRdr]

Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay:
[QB]I hate to say it (no, I really don't), but "At What Cost" is a perfectly valid question to ask.

On other matters, not all liberals are "pinkos," don't generalize (it's about as valid as generalizing the right-wing as "fascists" ... some on the far far right are, but the vast majority aren't). A lot of us are just socialists (and no, socialism is not the same as communism, and certainly not the same as Lenin-Communism). And the ACLU is devoted to protecting the Bill of Rights -- you know, the first ten Ammendments? Free speech, seperation of state and religion, right to bear arms, etc. Great organization.
QB]

At what cost? When they learn the little lesson that "you don't f*** with US!"

ACLU protecting the first ten huh? When have they ever gone to bat for the 2nd? Down below I've cut and pasted the definitions of communism and socialism. Don't know about y'all, but sounds to me that both of them are just about the same thing, a Godless heathenistic form of government that deserves the same treatment as a rapist, staked out on a ant hill covered in honey.
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[TinStar]

I thought the piece I read on this issue stated that ALL banners/flags etc were ordered taken down. Then again I skimmed through the article rather quickly.

[Malnurtured Snay]

They're close, but still not the same. Communism (that is, Marxist Communism, not the Lenin/Mao Communism practiced) has no government what-so-ever. None. No government. At all.

When they learn the little lesson that "you don't f*** with US!"

Never. It doesn't matter what we do, there will always be people and groups that don't like the U.S. for a variety of reasons. Nothing will change that. Tighter security and better intelligence agencies will help us limit the damage they're able to do.

[txinvestigator1]

At what cost? Yes, indeed. Valid complaints, valid questions -- at what cost, when our soldiers come back in bodybags? Do we need or want another Vietnam?

You compare this to vietnam?? Did Bush say we would be attacking these countries because of their internal strife? Did not members directly controlled by the controlling govt. of Afghanistan, the Taliban, attack our country on our soil and kill our people?

I don't want to see any american soldiers die, especially my friends or family, but that IS the price we, as a free nation, are willing to pay. Ask any soldier if they would die for you.

Nice try, but **** poor comparison.

The ACLU is only interseted in protecting its only little perveted, self-decided meaning of the Bill of Rights and the people it chooses to believe it stands for.

And what bill of rights guarantees a seperation of church and state? I must of missed that one. Are you referring to the third article, first ammendmant , "Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,...."

There is no guarantee there that church and "state" will be seperate.

[Mike Tx]

At what cost? Yes, indeed. Valid complaints, valid questions -- at what cost, when our
soldiers come back in bodybags? Do we need or want another Vietnam?


Your argument above is false in that it leads the reader to a conclusion that any war we may be in will conclude in the same fashion Vietnam did. That is yet to be seen.

Soldiers defending our country have always been killed. It is the price we have payed many times for freedom. Those who won't fight for a thing won't long have that thing.

Welcome to the forum.

[jellybean40]

Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay:

On other matters, not all liberals are "pinkos," don't generalize (it's about as valid as generalizing the right-wing as "fascists" ... some on the far far right are, but the vast majority aren't).

I enjoyed reading your post. a refreshingly different opinion on things...and no name calling or anger! (yet )

you will find many generalizations about liberals here, as if they ALL believe ALL of the same things. not true. and they're NOT all wackos, lunatics, idiots, crazies. morons... etc. but i do believe they harbor less bitterness, anger, and hatred...for some reason

[TheMdntRdr]

Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay:
They're close, but still not the same. Communism (that is, Marxist Communism, not the Lenin/Mao Communism practiced) has no government what-so-ever. None. No government. At all.

Whatever dude!!!! Like there is a friggin difference. Communism is communism is communism, doesn't matter what flavor, grape, cherry or lime, it's all the same damn thing. An overrated, unsuccessful form of total government whose ideals and philosophies were dreamt up by a bunch of crack addicts who were of such low self esteem that they felt like they needed to control the masses to be a better man than what they were.

[Jeffrey]

. . . but "At What Cost" is a perfectly valid question to ask.

Mal,

I would have to agree with you. It is a valid question. "At What Cost" are the terrorists willing to pay to destroy America? "At What Cost" are Americans going to be willing to pay when we are a communist state and have nothing left?

I don't know about you, but I believe it is at all costs. I can't imagine if the Association of Crime Lords United (ACLU for the benefit of the Florida and California Supreme Courts ) and all of you liberals were running our former country! We'd be in a communist state!!! As for you feminists, imagine if the Taliban was in control. We'd never see your faces again! And for the liberals, your faces would be hidden behind your long beards!

God, please have mercy on our deteriorating nation!?

[klar]

LOL well I will say this you have gotten a reaction to the message you posted. One thing I do know is that communism is a very pratical government if it is run correctly. In communism you would have everyone having the same things to keep them happy. Granted your always going to have people who want more than the other person but do they really need it? Sometimes pure communism looks better to get some things done than others.

As far as the banners. I guess everyone is allowed to present thier beliefs and their values upon another and enjoy a nice debate about this or that and which one is more favorable. I can see the "At what cost" is something that is on everyones mind as the pressure to get back at the terrorists gets less and less as the anti-terrorism group gets back ito their own little worlds and America is not as united as they have been in the past few months. Just look at vehicles going past on the freeways and streets of your town/city and see how many are still displaying and flying flags. Now think back a few weeks and see if you can tell a differance.

Just my view of all this.

Klar

[Jeffrey]

Just look at vehicles going past on the freeways and streets of your town/city and see how many are still displaying and flying flags.

I'm still displaying my tattered vehicle flag! I'm also still wearing my lapel flag pin every day!

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[goodgirl]

Geesh MdntRdr...I take it you don't like Communists much

"you will find many generalizations about liberals here,"

Oooo....Jellybean used the "L" word!! I'm telling!!