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    Time to dismount those bayonets from your service weapons guys. For those of you still using flintlock pistols you may have to look into upgrading. Nothing yet on ceremonial swords or battle axes though so I think we're still in the clear.

    WASHINGTON – President Obama is banning local police departments from receiving a range of military-style equipment from the federal government -- from grenade launchers to bayonets to certain armored vehicles -- as he implements the recommendations of a panel that examined the controversial gear giveaways in the wake of the Ferguson riots.

    The White House announced Monday that Washington would no longer provide some military-style gear while putting stricter controls on other weapons and equipment distributed to law enforcement. The details were released as Obama prepares to travel to Camden, N.J., Monday afternoon to meet with youth and law enforcement, and give a speech.

    Nine months earlier, scenes of heavily armed police in riot gear dispelling racially charged protests in Ferguson touched off a debate about federal programs that let local law enforcement apply for such equipment. The White House initially suggested Obama would maintain those programs, but an interagency group found "substantial risk of misusing or overusing" items like tracked armored vehicles, high-powered firearms and camouflage could undermine trust in police.

    In previewing the president's trip, the White House said that effective immediately, the federal government will no longer fund or provide armored vehicles that run on a tracked system instead of wheels, weaponized aircraft or vehicles, firearms or ammunition of .50-caliber or higher, grenade launchers, bayonets or camouflage uniforms. The federal government also is exploring ways to recall prohibited equipment already distributed.

    With scrutiny on police only increasing in the ensuing months after a series of highly publicized deaths of black suspects nationwide, Obama also is unveiling the final report of a task force he created to help build confidence between police and minority communities in particular.

    The announcements come as Obama is visiting Camden, one of the country's most violent and poorest cities.

    "I'll highlight steps all cities can take to maintain trust between the brave law enforcement officers who put their lives on the line, and the communities they're sworn to serve and protect," Obama said in his weekly address out Saturday.

    In addition to the new equipment-transfer bans, a longer list of equipment the federal government provides will come under tighter control, including wheeled armored vehicles like Humvees, manned aircraft, drones, specialized firearms, explosives, battering rams and riot batons, helmets and shields. Starting in October, police will have to get approval from their city council, mayor or some other local governing body to obtain it, provide a persuasive explanation of why it is needed and have more training and data collection on the use of the equipment.

    The issue of police militarization rose to prominence last year after a white police officer in Ferguson fatally shot unarmed black 18-year-old Michael Brown, sparking protests. Critics questioned why police in full body armor with armored trucks responded to dispel demonstrators, and Obama seemed to sympathize when ordering a review of the programs that provide the equipment. "There is a big difference between our military and our local law enforcement and we don't want those lines blurred," Obama last in August.

    But he did not announce a ban in December with the publication of the review, which showed five federal agencies spent $18 billion on programs that provided equipment including 92,442 small arms, 44,275 night-vision devices, 5,235 Humvees, 617 mine-resistant vehicles and 616 aircraft. At the time, the White House defended the programs as proving to be useful in many cases, such as the response to the Boston Marathon bombing. Instead of repealing the programs, Obama issued an executive order that required federal agencies that run the programs to consult with law enforcement and civil rights and civil liberties organizations to recommend changes that make sure they are accountable and transparent.

    That working group said in a report out Monday that it developed the list of newly banned equipment because "the substantial risk of misusing or overusing these items, which are seen as militaristic in nature, could significantly undermine community trust and may encourage tactics and behaviors that are inconsistent with the premise of civilian law enforcement." The Justice Department did not respond to an inquiry about how many pieces of equipment that are now banned had been previously distributed through federal programs.

    The separate report from the 21st Century Policing task force has a long list of recommendations to improve trust in police, including encouraging more transparency about interactions with the public. The White House said 21 police agencies nationwide, including Camden and nearby Philadelphia, have agreed to start putting out never-before released data on citizen interactions like use of force, stops, citations and officer-involved shootings. The administration also is launching an online toolkit to encourage the use of body cameras to record police interactions. And the Justice Department is giving $163 million in grants to incentivize police departments to adopt the report's recommendations.

    Ron Davis, director of the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services at the Department of Justice, told reporters he hoped the report could be a "key transformational document" in rebuilding trust that has been destroyed in recent years between police and minority communities.

    "We are without a doubt sitting at a defining moment for American policing," said Davis, a 30-year police veteran and former chief of the East Palo Alto (California) Police Department. "We have a unique opportunity to redefine policing in our democracy, to ensure that public safety becomes more than the absence of crime, that it must also include the presence of justice."
    Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...ent-to-police/

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    Originally posted by Miller11x View Post
    Time to dismount those bayonets from your service weapons guys. For those of you still using flintlock pistols you may have to look into upgrading. Nothing yet on ceremonial swords or battle axes though so I think we're still in the clear.


    Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...ent-to-police/
    Oh yeah, that's gonna get right to the heart of the crime and racial problems Obama and Sharpton have been fueling for the past two years....

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Miller11x View Post
      Time to dismount those bayonets from your service weapons guys. For those of you still using flintlock pistols you may have to look into upgrading. Nothing yet on ceremonial swords or battle axes though so I think we're still in the clear.



      "
      WASHINGTON – President Obama is banning local police departments from receiving a range of military-style equipment from the federal government -- from grenade launchers to bayonets to certain armored vehicles -- as he implements the recommendations of a panel that examined the controversial gear giveaways in the wake of the Ferguson riots."
      Not banning the PD's from HAVING them, just banning agencies from receiving them from the military surplus stream.

      Two VASTLY different meanings.......................
      Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

      My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post
        Not banning the PD's from HAVING them, just banning agencies from receiving them from the military surplus stream.

        Two VASTLY different meanings.......................
        Damn right, I bought my own bayonet.

        It was a pain in the *** adapting my holster and it really tears up the car seat, but they'll have to pry "turd-sticker" from my cold, dead hands.

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        • #5
          STILL haven't heard Potus say anything about people have a responsibility to NOT commit crimes. But hey...look at the source.
          Now go home and get your shine box!

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          • #6
            This is called throwing a few bones to the yapping dog under the table. Not meat just scrap bones.

            No real effect here. The Feds have already shed most of the gear they had stock piled and we leave billions of gear behind everywhere we go and either give it away, blow it up or let our enimies get it. When the next engagement happens we just take the ones we have in state side storage out and use them while we order more.

            Congress both dem and republican have not had a military program they want to shut down it employees people or lobbyist in their home towns even when the military specifically says stop building xyz we don't need them any more .


            Some of these things were good deals and others were huge wastes of monies for departments.

            Heck some departments really used things like light armored vehicles for events where their was legit need.

            Yes the optics may have been bad and some may have gone overboard but the reality is most of this stuff either gets used or sits in storage.

            Now banning things like .50 cal ammo and larger makes no sense as very few forces have a need for that. At a local policing level not used or needed really i mean common the local sheriffs dept using s howitzer? Very unlikely.

            So then we get to the one thing I have a problem with and that is the uniforms. Why not let police departments dress their special units in camo? It's not like these units are doing traffic citations or showing up to run of the mill domestic/petty theft cases. I mean if u could buy a whole mans kit of clothing from surplus brand new for $20 why have the local tax payers spend $200+ on buying them again?

            Yeah this is just simple throw a few bones. You see politicians do stuff like this to placate the base.

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            • #7
              Ceonupe, many PDs have had .50 rifles for precision shooting scenarios - usually those often-seen-in-the-movies Barrett rifles - in their inventory since 9/11 courtesy of DHS fund grants and the surplus military trough that LE has been using to fatten up their toy box.

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              • #8
                I'm still suspicious...........

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                • #9
                  The problem is that Obama is looking for a way to have give backs. He is going to try and take back certain items that they have already given out. Not sure why he is worried about 50 cals that agencies may have. I am sure that the departments that own a 50 could have purchased it themselves if they didn't already.
                  Stupid has no color or race, everyone can participate.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by IAM Rand View Post
                    The problem is that Obama is looking for a way to have give backs. He is going to try and take back certain items that they have already given out. Not sure why he is worried about 50 cals that agencies may have. I am sure that the departments that own a 50 could have purchased it themselves if they didn't already.
                    I read that about the give backs but most of what they are talking about is things MOST agencies didn't get from the government. .....except maybe the cammies.................
                    Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                    My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by IAM Rand View Post
                      The problem is that Obama is looking for a way to have give backs. He is going to try and take back certain items that they have already given out. Not sure why he is worried about 50 cals that agencies may have. I am sure that the departments that own a 50 could have purchased it themselves if they didn't already.
                      The cost of .50 cal rifles is prohibitive for most agencies at $5K or more, not to mention complete overkill for 99.98% of precision shooting scenarios, which take place at relatively short distances and in situations that are below the threshold at which you'd be employing a .50 cal rifle to begin with. More to the point, many agencies don't have access to proper training and ranges required to train with such powerful long distance weapons. Since LE started to obtain them on a regular basis, I have never even read of an actual situation where LE has employed a .50 cal rifle for precision shooting, though I know the reasoning behind obtaining them to begin with was to use them in situations where you would have to take out a vehicle with terrorist insurgents or hostage takers or perhaps even an IED rigged inside a mini-van or truck or car. Let us also not forget that .50 cal also includes a few models of machine guns, none of which are really useful in the hands of most LE to begin with.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Waffles1981 View Post
                        Ceonupe, many PDs have had .50 rifles for precision shooting scenarios - usually those often-seen-in-the-movies Barrett rifles - in their inventory since 9/11 courtesy of DHS fund grants and the surplus military trough that LE has been using to fatten up their toy box.
                        I should have been clear out side of the .50 cal. I know many departments around here have them. It was in our last pro Am benefit and they were shooting long distance. Yes I see the need (tho limited ) for them in the bag of tools.

                        The president was just throwing bones to the base. Bones with very little meat.

                        Also when is the last time u heard of police misusing a .50 cal against citizens. They are usually anti material/ transport type weapons and I spent 5 min on google and could not find one case where the police used one and there was a problem in fact I could not even find a case with clear details where police even fired a shot using one.

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                        • #13
                          NYPD has .50 cal rifles. Unknown if they got them from the feds, but if they did and the Feds demand them back, NYPD will purchase as many as they need without blinking an eye.

                          http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nypd-s...ry?id=14608555

                          This is a lot to do about almost nothing.
                          “Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on.” - Robert F. Kennedy.

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                          • #14
                            Banning camouflage uniforms! Lol. Yeah, cause no agencies have jurisdiction in wooded areas or search for suspects in wooded areas. *cough* Ruby Ridge, Eric Frein, Christopher Dorner *cough*
                            I yell "PIKACHU" before I tase someone.

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                            • #15
                              Luckily it specifically says bayonets, so my scottish dirk I have mounted under my glock is still OK....

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