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  • Tactical retreat

    I'm just going to leave this here.


    http://www.leoaffairs.com/news/tacti...at-new-normal/

  • #2
    Nope. Not gonna happen.
    If that's what's wanted, lay your badges at the door...
    Now go home and get your shine box!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
      Nope. Not gonna happen.
      If that's what's wanted, lay your badges at the door...
      Don't be so sure of that. Most agencies limit vehicle pursuits and many are now limiting foot pursuits. It would not surprise me to see this start to take effect.

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      • #4
        SCOTUS says I don't have to. Neither will policy: it would open a box that you can't close. Look at NYPD just doing a cite slow down...
        Now go home and get your shine box!

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        • #5
          B-S like this is why I am on vacation right now, I will not back down from anyone where I work or I would get ran over.
          There are times I will not move forward very fast until I have backup though. Shet is starting to get old fast!!

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          • #6
            Society will pay the price if this b*llsh*t becomes the norm.

            Stay safe.

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            • #7
              It's the philosophy that Victoria Police has been using since about 1995. Prior to that the rules of engagement were focused on rapidly resolving incidents with deadly force being used on a regular basis.

              Our doctrine now stresses 'Safety First' and avoiding confrontation where possible. We would be expected to retreat from an armed hostile subject if it was safe to do so, cordon them and await the arrival of specialists.

              It's the only philosophy I've ever known and I think it sucks. We routinely have senior officers direct us to back away from hostile crowds, aggressive subjects and risky pursuits all in the name of safety.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by [email protected]
                Not liking it doesn't mean it won't work. Anyone who thinks "go time" is the only tactic that is relevant is someone I'd be concerned about.

                In the Boyd shooting for example, stepping back would have probably worked better than lighting him up with an M4, some beanbags, and a dog.
                oh, you again.....


                didn't you demonstrate a "tactical retreat" in another post thread when I answered your question(s) and asked you for some? All I got was crickets and your disappearance.

                You seem to be a tactical thread retreater when given facts and asked for a response. Figures.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MCAPO View Post
                  oh, you again.....


                  didn't you demonstrate a "tactical retreat" in another post thread when I answered your question(s) and asked you for some? All I got was crickets and your disappearance.

                  You seem to be a tactical thread retreater when given facts and asked for a response. Figures.
                  No surprise here... It's this guy's typical MO...
                  US Army Veteran
                  The opinions expressed above are not those of any official capacity or agency. Fix yourself.

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                  • #10
                    He should tactically retreat from his keyboard

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                    • #11
                      Why, in those discussions about Ferguson, was it only asked "If the officer had retreated would Brown still be alive today?" No one bothered to ask the (far better) question of "If AH had not broken the law and then tried to attack the officer, would he still be alive today?"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mulgrave600 View Post
                        It's the philosophy that Victoria Police has been using since about 1995. Prior to that the rules of engagement were focused on rapidly resolving incidents with deadly force being used on a regular basis.

                        Our doctrine now stresses 'Safety First' and avoiding confrontation where possible. We would be expected to retreat from an armed hostile subject if it was safe to do so, cordon them and await the arrival of specialists.

                        It's the only philosophy I've ever known and I think it sucks. We routinely have senior officers direct us to back away from hostile crowds, aggressive subjects and risky pursuits all in the name of safety.
                        Has there been a study on changes in crime rates and or assaults/injuries to LE since those rules began? Has it had an impact on either? I can't fathom the message that sends to criminals elements.
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                        • #13
                          Seth Stoughton wrote an article in the December issue of Atlantic if you want his ideas unfiltered.

                          Any question asked in a headline can usually be answered "no".

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by WillBrink View Post
                            Has there been a study on changes in crime rates and or assaults/injuries to LE since those rules began? Has it had an impact on either? I can't fathom the message that sends to criminals elements.
                            There hasn't been a study done that I'm aware of to specifically correlate that data.

                            Our crime rate reached a low point in the early 2000s and is currently a bit higher thse days. That is apparently being driven primarily by family violence and volume crime.

                            I don't know what the current assault or injury rate to police is but our internal injury reports suggest it is fairly low. Nearly all the more significant injuries I read about occur in unplanned incidents.

                            Generally the attitude we adopt is that GDs (patrol) are not trained or equipped to deal with critical incidents beyond cordoning and managing them until specialists arrive. We don't carry fixed batons, shotguns, patrol rifles or a wide variety of less lethal weapons. I carry a gun, a small can of OC and a 21 inch ASP.

                            We usually get multiple units to RV before attending high risk jobs and we are not expected to confront dangerous situations unless it is necessary to preserve life.

                            If we go to a house to talk to someone with mental issues and they pull a knife at the door, we would be expected to disengage and cordon the premises until our specialists arrive. If we attempted to fight them or follow them into the house we would have some serious questions to answer.

                            There are some criminals who are aware of this and take advantage of it I'm sure. Some of the old timers think that people are more likely to try their luck with coppers today because we can't deal with them as 'robustly' as was the case in previous generations. They also think that the drop in recruiting standards (no more height requirement) plays a role.

                            Whatever criminals think of it, this approach is supported by the Coroner and our legal system which we must work within.

                            In general though, our use of lethal force is much lower than it was 20 years ago and injuries to members through confronting offenders are pretty rare.

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                            • #15
                              Instead of calling it "tactical retreat" lets just call it being a pu**y like it really is.

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