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  • Officer Involved Shooting in Bridgetown, NJ

    http://youtu.be/ys0OzmH_EPg

    http://nypost.com/2015/01/21/video-s...-raised-hands/

    So, what do you guys think?

    EDIT:Bridgeton is the name of the city.
    Last edited by Codz95; 01-21-2015, 05:58 PM.
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  • #2
    Looks like a good shoot to me. At least one known weapon in the vehicle, a POS with a history of taking shots at LE, refusal to follow the direction given by the officers, and an aggressive exit from the vehicle with his hand in a position that would indicate the possibility that he was holding a gun.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Codz95 View Post
      http://youtu.be/ys0OzmH_EPg

      http://nypost.com/2015/01/21/video-s...-raised-hands/

      So, what do you guys think?

      EDIT:Bridgeton is the name of the city.
      First, it's Bridgeton

      Second, I am not allowed to comment.


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      • #4
        All ya gotta do is follow simple instructions. Don't move means - don't move. Show hands means show hands ... there's really nothing to it. I suggest every person who likes to be a tough guy practice it with friends and family. It could be a game of just show me your hands, the first one who reaches in the glove compartment or under the seat or in the console or visor loses. This way one can become really proficient at showing hands and not moving.

        I betcha Jesse and Al ain't gonna book a flight to Bridgeton ... really I'm joking about a serious situation, but if only people would learn to respect authority and follow simple instructions none of this craziness would happen. JMHO.

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        • #5
          The occupant who stuck his hands out of his window and explicitly complied didn't seem to have any issues.


          The crossfire from the officer on the left is what concerns me the most. Perhaps the officer on the right had moved back further than I'm assuming that he had.
          Last edited by Carbonfiberfoot; 01-21-2015, 05:36 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ex Army MP View Post
            First, it's Bridgeton

            Second, I am not allowed to comment.
            Added the edit to reflect that.
            Atlanta & Los Angeles

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            • #7
              This is a screen grab posted on a NJ.com. In this screen grab it looks like he was holding something when he got out of the car. I don't know if this website will allow a full size upload:

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              Open the picture in a new tab and zoom in if you can.
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              • #8
                What do I think? A second spotlight, on the right side of the police car, would have perhaps been helpful here. The important thing cannot be seen in the video: what did the officer (on the right) see inside the car: what kind of movements & body language? I think whatever he saw set off his alarm bells. The fact the officer keeps saying "don't move, or I'll shoot you" suggests to me that the officer saw something alarming, and that what he means is: "on the scale of escalation, you have positioned us at a point where I am now 1 inch away from using lethal force against you; there's no more benefit of the doubt here, you used it all up, any more reaching or other shifty body movements and you're dead, just to make that clear". But that takes too long to say, and it might not be understood. So instead, the officer used language that is most likely to be instantly understood (because that's best for everybody).

                So: with tensions at the highest level, and after repeatedly being told not to move and not to reach for anything, what does the passenger do? He suddenly moves and quickly exits the vehicle and moves toward the officer: that overrides and nullifies any possible gesture of surrender-by-raising-hands. But there was no gesture of surrender anyway: his hands and arms are pointed forwards, towards the officer (not upward).
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                • #9
                  Having been born and raised in this area, I can ditto Ex MP's statement that "It's Bridgeton". A mini Camden of late. What's really ****ing me off is of course are the media headlines that say "shot with hands up". No Rev. Al here because it doesn't fit his narrative, but protests just the same. Days is a good cop and he should come out of this okay. All the cops knew the deceased and his history (attempted murder of State Troopers) and his propensity for violence.

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                  • #10
                    CBS had that story on this morning. Then they had a gal on to comment, a "compliance specialist" or something like that. I thought "oh boy, here we go". But to my surprise she said they should have kept calm, followed instructions and not been moving around. When asked if it was a good shoot she said "Yes, she thought so".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NYCDep View Post
                      This is a screen grab posted on a NJ.com. In this screen grab it looks like he was holding something when he got out of the car. I don't know if this website will allow a full size upload:

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                      Open the picture in a new tab and zoom in if you can.

                      Completely off topic -- but....

                      HOLY CRAP that is a good dashcam! I can almost see what radio station they were listening too.

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                      • #12
                        I made the mistake of posting on a Buzzfeed article about this... for many reasons, mainly because of the ****ty reporting by the BF reporter, and the inaccuracies. After fixing that, I was quite surprised how many people were actually pro LE on it... but there were a few dumb****s who weren't. Felon with a gun is a no no. Do what you're told and fight it in court.
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                        • #13
                          ONe of the problems we are having right now in society is that Law Enforcement personnel are horrible at communicating.

                          What I mean by that is that I haven't seen ONE police official on a news show talk about how "UNARMED DOESN'T MEAN UN-DANGEROUS". "Unarmed" people kill about 700 people every year, yet as soon as a police officer uses deadly force the 1st question asked is "did he have a weapon?"

                          Hell, LE is so bad at communicating that we still have people asking us why we can't just 'shoot people in the leg'. Sure, people are going to be stupid no matter what you do, that's why you educate them.

                          LEOs are pragmatic types, we tend to think "that's common sense" so we don't explain ourselves well enough. But that means that we cede the field of public opinion to ignorant people, and that hurts everyone.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BigMyk View Post
                            ONe of the problems we are having right now in society is that Law Enforcement personnel are horrible at communicating.

                            What I mean by that is that I haven't seen ONE police official on a news show talk about how "UNARMED DOESN'T MEAN UN-DANGEROUS". "Unarmed" people kill about 700 people every year, yet as soon as a police officer uses deadly force the 1st question asked is "did he have a weapon?"

                            Hell, LE is so bad at communicating that we still have people asking us why we can't just 'shoot people in the leg'. Sure, people are going to be stupid no matter what you do, that's why you educate them.

                            LEOs are pragmatic types, we tend to think "that's common sense" so we don't explain ourselves well enough. But that means that we cede the field of public opinion to ignorant people, and that hurts everyone.
                            Actually we do have these talks... no one listens...
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BikeCop501 View Post
                              Actually we do have these talks... no one listens...
                              Because you have two, going on three generations of people now whose basic response to any authority, whether it's a boss at work, a school teacher, a parent or a sworn LEO wearing a badge and carrying a gun, is, "You ain't the boss of me, don't ask, tell or command me to do anything."

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