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  • LEOs - The gun control advocates are also after your guns

    For those LEOs that think the gun control advocates are only concerned about guns in the hands of private citizens, please read the article below. It appears that some gun control advocates don't even trust LEOs with guns unless they can make them idiot proof. Where will it stop? Will they stop with chamber indicators and magazine disconnects or will the next demand be for unproven technology like smart guns that will only fire if they reads your finger print? Maybe they can manufacture a gun that will only fire if the watch commander sends an electronic signal to your weapon authorizing the use of deadly force.
    Please notice that the California Governer responded to the objections of LEOs in the same way that he has responded to private citizens objections about gun control laws - he ignored them.

    Phoenix

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    Gray Davis' Cop-Killing Gun Law

    By Richard Poe

    October 8, 2003


    GRAY DAVIS is gone. But his destructive legacy lives on.

    In the final weeks before his ouster, Davis used what dwindling power he had to hamstring California
    Phoenix

    "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself." ~Thomas Paine

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    You know,I don't know of a single officer who supports a gun ban. I have absolutely no problems with an honest,law abiding citizen owning weapons. As far as "letting officers carry nationwide damages the abillity of state and local governments to protect their citizens from gun violence" is utter and pure bulls**t. I live/work in GA and we have an agreement with 9 or more states about honoring each others CCW. That includes officers who just carry on their credentials. I haven't heard of a single violent act by anyone from another state or this state,travelling to another. How about this you gun grabbers. Why don't you go and spend your time and effort on something that will do some good like feeding the hungry or whatever. Leave honest,law abiding citizens alone. Leave LE alone. Quite frankly,why don't you just **** off?
    If you stare into the abyss long enough,sometimes it stares back.

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    • #3
      Well put JDixon. My sentiments exactly!
      Law abiding citizens sleep peacefully in their beds solely because dedicated men and women stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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      • #4
        Davis is gone now, and I hope Arnold can undo a lot of the damage Davis has done. I'm not sure he can since he isn't a dictator. He will need cooperation from a lot of people, and politicians can be petty and vindictive.

        Trying to take guns away from cops is the dumbest idea I have ever heard of. As to honest civilians owning guns, I have no objection to that either. The problem is a lot of them don't think they should be required to obtain a license or go through a background check and/or waiting period. Without those things, how do me know he is honest? And if he is honest, why should he object to those things.
        I love keeping secrets. It drives people crazy.

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        • #5
          this is what i gather from the article:

          mayor bloomberg in NYC wants to ban off duty cops from carrying guns into city hall. the article didnt say anything about banning guns entirely. only city hall. whats the problem with that? how often do you go to city hall when youre off duty anyway?

          in california, gov davis wanted loaded chamber indicators and magazine/trigger disconnects. i dont know much about putting indicators on pistols but i wouldnt mind having that mag disconnect feature on my glock. most of you already know smith and wesson pistols already have the magazine disconnect feature which i personally feel is a great idea especially for law enforcement. ive heard a few stories of officers fighting for their weapons and disabling the triggers simply by dropping the mag before losing the pistol possibly saving their lives. whats wrong with that?

          even if these laws go into effect nationally, how many people are actually affected by it? i never go to city hall. hell, i live 40 miles from the city i work in.
          "The American public will find it refreshing to see a Republican candidate, who's not a moralistic, sexually repressed, crusading hypocrite, who cruises airport men's rooms late at night."
          William Shatner

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          • #6
            I personally know of three of our officers, all of whom were "gun nuts" that shot themselves with an "unloaded gun". I think there were a lot more. A loaded indicator seems like a pretty good idea to me. I wish I had it on my Klock.

            And I agree with Bart on the magazine disconnect. For a while, when we first went to semi's, S & W were the primary pistol used and we were taught to use the disconnect feature if it looked like we might lose our weapon in a struggle.

            As far as the guns in city hall, yeah that's silly. Our courts went through a phase where we weren't allowed to carry guns into court. A couple of judge shootings and an attorney getting drilled by an unhappy divorce defendant ended that nonsense.

            Jim
            "Life's tough, it's tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne

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            • #7
              If a manufacturer wants to put a mag safety or a loaded chamber indicator on a pistol,fine. But I don't want a law requiring that they have to do it. If you give the gun grabbers a nitpicky law like that,then next it will be something else. The next time it will be something "reasonable",and it will continue that way until they get our guns. I don't want to give them an inch. As far as someone being shot with an unloaded weapon,its their own fault. That is a basic rule of gun safety. ALWAYS TREAT EVERY WEAPON LIKE IT IS LOADED.
              If you stare into the abyss long enough,sometimes it stares back.

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              • #8
                Magazine disconnector can go either way. A loaded chamber indicator on a police issue weapon is nonsense. If you are careless enough to go on duty with an UNLOADED chamber you get what you get. On duty chamber always LOADED and should be checked the old fashioned way, the press check whenever you want to be sure (the press check don't lie). As for any new gun laws I say GFY, I have arrested the same well respected attorney 2x for CCW while OVI. Both times he plead to the OVI and everything else was dropped (with no affirmative defense provided, just you wash my back I wash yours between attorneys). I am happy to work where the resident median income is the highest in the state though. It can be challenging though, lots of residents have serious political pull. CCW law is not my cup of tea but if you are intox you are carrying under disability so CCW law or no ( I am for the lawful citizen carrying) you are hooked up. Stupid to have to say but alcohol and guns do not mix.
                Trooperden, akman75, & azmichelle ignored

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                • #9
                  Posted by Pigeon:
                  "Davis is gone now, and I hope Arnold can undo a lot of the damage Davis has done."

                  I wouldn't count on it. Arnold is for gun-control from everything I have read, at least towards civilians. Not sure yet how he will treat LEO's.

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                  • #10
                    Indicators can fail.....As for the Cali gun law, I beleive the citizens can vote to get it repealed. I guess its ok for the criminal be armed and when they run into the unarmed officer who put them in jail they can pay them back
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                    • #11
                      Interestingly enough, the several of our officers that accidently shot themselves were gun nuts and range officers. Us dummies that only used a gun as a tool and didn't care for them that much were careful....
                      "Life's tough, it's tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Photogrrlz
                        Indicators can fail.....As for the Cali gun law, I beleive the citizens can vote to get it repealed. I guess its ok for the criminal be armed and when they run into the unarmed officer who put them in jail they can pay them back
                        did you actually read the article posted or do you lack reading comprehension skills? theres nothing that said cops are being disarmed. all it says is that they want some safety devices placed on the weapons themselves. who cares about that crap? the smith and wesson pistols already have the mag disconnect and so what if they add some stupid device that tells us if the chamber is loaded? is this really an issue to be up in arms about?

                        why dont we spend more energy being angry over the fact that are justice system needs an overhaul? instead of fighting gun control issues, why dont we protest against jury trials which we all know is a sham? why dont we become advocates of creating a court system similar to a military tribunal where the panel judging defendants are actually educated legal professionals who make sound decisions based on fact and not emotions?
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                        • #13
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                          • #14
                            did you actually read the article posted or do you lack reading comprehension skills? theres nothing that said cops are being disarmed.
                            no I dont lack reading skills because it was mentioned a couple of times about congress holding up a bill that would allow off duty officers to carry out of the state and that Mayor Bloomberg wants to prohibit officers from being armed going into city hall. So my point was to say what is to stop them there from disarming us completely. So the this thread mentioned more than just safeguards
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Photogrrlz
                              no I dont lack reading skills because it was mentioned a couple of times about congress holding up a bill that would allow off duty officers to carry out of the state and that Mayor Bloomberg wants to prohibit officers from being armed going into city hall.
                              One mayor prohibiting police from taking guns into one place in his city is hardly disarming the police, don't you think? We can't take our guns into the mental wards of hospitals, nor can we take them into the jail.... I agree Bloomberg is being silly, but it's hardly cause for national alarm.

                              In a way, I think it's up to the states to decide if they want cops from outside states to carry when they're visiting... Frankly, I can't remember ever carrying a gun when I was on vacation, that was the whole point! The feds make too many laws now.

                              Jim
                              "Life's tough, it's tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne

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