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    I have receive nothing but candid and very informative feedback with every question I have asked which is why I continue to ask. If I become too frequent I would hope the responses would remain as candid and tell me.

    First of all....does a 30 year captain carry any weight in a 500 member agency? I would never expect any shortcuts, but I also believe in character references. Should I reach out to him during this hiring process or would that be a waste of time?

    Thanks

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    A 500 member agency is going to most likely be civil service.

    Therefore once the person passes the required examinations and places high enough on the eligibility list to warrant an interview, a 30 yr Captain MIGHT have a bit of pull.

    Or NOT. When I retired from my career at 27 yrs and the Senior Uniformed Supervisor in the facility, I was NOT highly thought of by the upper administration.


    My endorsement and $2.50 would have bought you a cup of coffee in the cafeteria.
    Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

    My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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    • #3
      It won't hurt.

      Good luck!

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      • #4
        Depends on your relationship with this captain. If he is a friend why not contact this captain and let him know that you are interested in a career with his agency and ask him for his insight on the job and the hiring process. If he can or wants to help you the ball is in his court and you did not embarrass you or him by asking him to pull strings.

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        • #5
          Possibly. It depends who does the hiring process. I know of a dept in which the civil service commission does the hiring with virtually no input from anyone on the PD.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post
            A 500 member agency is going to most likely be civil service.

            Therefore once the person passes the required examinations and places high enough on the eligibility list to warrant an interview, a 30 yr Captain MIGHT have a bit of pull.

            Or NOT. When I retired from my career at 27 yrs and the Senior Uniformed Supervisor in the facility, I was NOT highly thought of by the upper administration.


            My endorsement and $2.50 would have bought you a cup of coffee in the cafeteria.
            It is a "merit system". Not sure what that means or if its the same thing as civil service.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lcg0207 View Post
              It is a "merit system". Not sure what that means or if its the same thing as civil service.
              Yes it is similar to Civil Service

              Merit implies that you earned the job on YOUR OWN merits NOT using some hook to pull you up.
              Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

              My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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              • #8
                Ok I see. So by the sounds of it how I did on the written exam (which I believe I did very very well on) is much more important than the physical part.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lcg0207 View Post
                  Ok I see. So by the sounds of it how I did on the written exam (which I believe I did very very well on) is much more important than the physical part.
                  Nope.


                  If you don't pass the PAT you won't move on.
                  Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                  My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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                  • #10
                    You are assuming that the 30 year Captain would give you a good reference.

                    It always helps to know someone, if they think that you are a good match for the job. I am very reluctant to recommend people I know, UNLESS I know that they will do a SUPERIOR job. In the past 10 years I have recommended one person for hire and I had known her for 14 years.

                    I don't want anyone coming back and asking, "Why the heck did you recommend that loser."

                    Civil Service or not, relationships can influence hiring.

                    If you ask for a recommendation, don't make that person every regret giving it.
                    Ut humiliter opinor

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ddurkof View Post
                      You are assuming that the 30 year Captain would give you a good reference.

                      It always helps to know someone, if they think that you are a good match for the job. I am very reluctant to recommend people I know, UNLESS I know that they will do a SUPERIOR job. In the past 10 years I have recommended one person for hire and I had known her for 14 years.

                      I don't want anyone coming back and asking, "Why the heck did you recommend that loser."

                      Civil Service or not, relationships can influence hiring.

                      If you ask for a recommendation, don't make that person every regret giving it.
                      Great point. I will remember that when talking to him.

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                      • #12
                        Is there not a references section on your application? If you actually KNOW the captain (like you've known him for a number of years and had enough interactions for him to get to know you) then absolutely put him down as a reference.

                        I've known a County Judge since I was about 10 years old. You better believe I've put him down on almost every job application I've ever had.

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