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  • Where are we dropping the ball??

    First let me say this is not a make wrong but rather a make right...

    That said, all of us who chose this profession had to attend, at a minimum, a police academy where basic recruit curriculum cover just that, the basics! This includes, but not limited to; Legal, Court procedures, Patrol techniques, Constitutional Rights, Interviews etc,. Some states require more than others, but for the most part, the basics are covered.

    Once we complete the academy we move on to field training with an FTO. During this process, we can spend on upwards of four months learning from seasoned officers whose responsibility it is to ensure we enhance our basic fundamentals so we can achieve solo status...

    Once we reach solo status, training may come from courses we sign up for, self-research, squad training, mandatory in-service or through roll calls and training bulletins. Point is, training never ends. Whether this is your first year or thirtieth, training starts the minute we raise our right hand and take the oath and continues to when we choose to shadow box our retirement badge.

    Now I say all that to bring us to this; We all know, or should know, that groups such as cop block, cop watch and others target encounters with LE just to raise civil rights violations and broadcast their efforts on various social media or youtube. These groups have established a following where sub-groups are popping up all over, whether it be small town America or the larger cities.

    The question is, why are we dropping the ball during these encounters? Why are we giving them exactly what they want for all the world to see? Where are we failing that officers are not knowledgeable enough to survive these encounters?

    Back to the basics:

    We should all know and have an above average knowledge of our Constitutional Rights.

    We should know and have an above average knowledge of our state statutes, to include but not limited to: Stop and Frisk(Identify) Firearms related statutes (Open Carry) (Conceal Carry)

    We should know and have a full understanding of what "Reasonable Articulable Suspicion" is.

    We should know and have a full understanding of what "Probable Cause" is.

    We should know what constitutes a detention vs. consensual encounter.

    We should review and understand applicable case law regarding detentions such as, but not limited to;
    Terry v. Ohio 392 U.S. 1 (1968)
    Jones v. Clark No. 09-3574 (7th Cir. 2011)
    U.S. v. Arvizu 151 L Ed 2d 740 (2002)
    U.S. v. Cortez 449 U.S. 411 (1981)
    Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada 542 U.S. 177 (2004)
    Brown v. Texas 443 U.S. 47 (1979)

    We should make the effort to conduct our own research, enhance our knowledge and bring awareness to current trends in our area.

    Example: Here in Florida, there is a growing trend with those exercising their right to open carry a firearm while fishing. Now many officers will argue that Florida is a conceal state and OC is prohibited under Florida statute 790.053. However, Florida statute 790.25(3)(h) allows one to openly carry a firearm to, from or while engaged in fishing but yet officers are continuing to detain those lawfully exercising their right due to ignorance of the statute.

    We should always maintain the mindset that our actions are always being recorded and act accordingly.

    We should never allow our emotions to enter into our decision making. Never allow your emotions to cloud your judgement.

    If we witness a fellow officer falling, HELP THEM OUT! Do not just sit back and watch them fail. Pull them aside and square them away. They should thank you for it later.

    Lastly, keep our egos in check.

    Brothers and sisters, it's time we step it up. It's time we represent the badge with the honor and dignity it deserves. It's time we represent each other as true professionals and work to change the negative perception our society is developing of us. When one of us fails, we all fail!!

    In honor of National Police week 2014, Respect for our fallen, may they never be forgotten.

    Be safe!!!

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    I understand you are calling for a higher standard in a number of aspects of police work. Is it possible to deliberately raise standards? I would imagine that over time, new concepts evolve, new equipment, new procedures, new training, and standards & expectations eventually get higher.

    But the cost of any organized human endeavor is that some of the participants will fail in various areas of their work, to varying degrees, including airline pilots, surgeons, and every other profession. I expect a similar share of problems in every single police agency, mainly because of human nature being involved.

    Originally posted by ruger2213 View Post
    It's time we represent each other as true professionals and work to change the negative perception our society is developing of us.
    I don't see this. Yes, many people have negative perceptions of the police, but I don't think there is anything the police can do to change that. Isn't this a little bit like being president of the United States: half the country is going to oppose you no matter what you do.
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    • #3
      Do you need a permit to fish? You do in California!

      Further, society isn't developing a dislike of cops. PARTS of society have an extreme dislike, actually to quote that Tattoo thread are "racist" to cops. Some parts of society like cops, especially the Officer's kids! Sometimes the spouse, but not always. Society is mixed. In the same day at he same coffee shop in a 5 minute window I got " You guys aren't paid enough! "Thank You Sheriff" and "**** you!!"

      Professional is the goal and you will never be able to make everyone happy.
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      • #4
        I'm not a LEO, but it's a common saying in law enforcement that one uh-oh wipes out 1,000 atta boys. That's actually exactly how human nature thinks and sees the world. It's just magnified in your field because of what you deal with every day and how much more visible you are than most of the community.

        Some people's only contacts with police are during the absolute worst, most devastating moments in their personal lives, and they are going to remember exactly how everyone made them feel long after they've forgotten words and details. They are also going to be especially attuned to police in the news, friends' anecdotes, etc., in coming weeks, and see each of those through the high-emotion lens of their major event.

        As to remembering the minutia of case law and statute scope and numbers, a few hours month of refresher would be ideal, but the job and hours are already more than enough for the compensation, and most officers have to miss too many of their families' milestones as it is; I wouldn't begrudge them not wanting to put in even more.
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        • #5
          Some of it depends on the perspective and video editing. Take your example of open carry in Florida. My department has run into people carrying, and when approached they claim they are on their way hunting or fishing. Do you have a permit? "I am not answering questions" Where is your gear? "I am not answering questions". You check and there isn't a permit in their name, so they are in violation.

          This is where the camera starts, and they start hollering that you are violating the law and arresting a law abiding citizen. It isn't an unlawful arrest, it has just been set up and edited.

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          • #6
            The OC guys will probably screw things up like they did in California by pushing too hard. I'm curious why it's only legal for fishing? Alligators? I could understand that, the fisherman could be the catch of the day.

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            • #7
              Some folks been a' hatin' the police since there have been town criers.
              Most rational people have no problems with law enforcement.
              Some people just don't like us around because it makes them uncomfortable (and reminds them of the reason law enforcement is needed).
              Some have had negative encounters, for things as simple as a traffic ticket where the officer may have been percieved as a di*k. (My dad is a really nice guy, and recently was given a cite for 40 in a 35. He is 84, and told the officer "I've never gotten a ticket in my life". The officer said "Well now you do" and walked away. Totally uncalled for- and that kind of thing makes can change a person's perception of LEO as a hole with some people.

              Then again, some citizens are just complete as*hole$ anyway.

              Who cares? Do your job, do it well, and be professional.
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              • #8
                I was told many years ago by a seasoned cop the following. And it can pertain to any profession.

                Question: What is the difference between God and cops.

                Answer: God doesn't think he is a cop.

                I always remembered that.
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                • #9
                  Those clips of officers getting owned by the "cop block, cop watch, etc" are they ones they want people to see. How many other videos are made across the country that know one ever sees where officers do the right thing, act extremely professionally, and know exactly what the laws states and how apply it?

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