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  • #31
    Originally posted by Langford PR View Post
    Lastly, I'm a hyper-cynical SOB about administration but also know, personally, that if you cannot do the job like a proffessional anymore....get the f**k out. The 'good' cops out there don't need the taint of a burnout hassling thier job every night.
    ^^^^^ This.....

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    • #32
      I took the liberty of re-aligning the animation frames provided earlier by Carbonfiberfoot, so that now the camera seems to be steadier than before. I also slowed it down, so that each of the 43 frames is 0.75 seconds long:
      https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg

      List of Islamic terror attacks in the last 30 days

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      • #33
        I've looked at the stills a bunch, I still can't figure this out. What pressure point was being applied? Mandibular angle/Hypoglossal/Clavical Notch? I will say whatever he was doing sure didn't seem to have any effect until the guy 'goes weak'. At least from what you can see, it sure looks like he's choking the **** out of the guy, but again his reaction doesn't seem to match that.

        I'll also agree I'm not seeing the resistance to handcuffing that was alleged.

        Not saying anything about this specific instance, but if you're swapping cuffs don't take the other pair off all the way. Put the new pair on loose above or below the old pair, take the old pair off, re-position the new ones, tighten, and double-lock.
        Last edited by XGEP; 04-29-2014, 04:05 PM.

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        • #34
          The slowed down frames above do indeed look damning. It did not appear the other Officers were struggling with the subjects arms or wrists during the incident. I can't see the subject tensing or pulling away either.It is hard to tell what the actual time lapse is and I don't know if there are other photos taken that aren't shown that could clarify things. They could have removed stills that painted a false picture. I would depent on what the other Officers involved said was going on for me to pass judgement.

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          • #35
            Well, the guy never goes visably limp. Without more stills of what happened after, you can't really tell.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by TJx2 View Post
              I was there..not a choke..suspect was uncooperative while swapping cuffs for the wagon. Officer used pressure point to gain compliance and suspect went "weak knee." Election year, enough said. Shame to lose 22 years of service....
              Pressure point? Is that the same as "Bilateral Vascular Restraint"? Here you can see that the officer's thumbs are below the ears of the suspect (or even farther towards the back of the neck), not in the front, not in a choking position, far away from the throat area.



              Here is a description of the "Bilateral Vascular Restraint":

              The BVR is effective not just because of the compression of the carotid arteries. It is primarily a combination of three occurrences, of which the least impact is derived from the compression of the carotid arteries. The proper application of a BVR results in fainting due to the compression of the carotid arteries, the compression of the jugular veins, and the stimulation of the vagus nerve. The vagus nerve controls involuntary body functions such as breathing and your heart beating. The panel determined that it takes about 11 ponds of pressure to block the carotid arteries and only five pounds of pressure to block the jugular veins. If the jugular veins are even partially blocked, blood flow from the head is slowed and blood becomes congested in the head. When pressure is applied to a resistor’s mid-neck area (the area of the jugular veins), the carotid sinuses determines there is an increase in blood pressure and signals the vagus nerve to respond to the threat by drastically slowing heart rate and lowering blood pressure, which results in fainting.

              http://www.policeone.com/close-quart...k-the-carotid/
              https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg

              List of Islamic terror attacks in the last 30 days

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              • #37
                SHERIFF, Vote For 1
                REP Sam Hammett 38 7.72% 869 7.23% 815 7.41% 1,722 7.32%
                REP Jimmy "J. J." Jones 326 66.26% 7,275 60.53% 5,952 54.11% 13,553 57.65%
                REP Bobby Waggoner 128 26.02% 3,875 32.24% 4,233 38.48% 8,236 35.03%
                Cast Votes: 492 98.01% 12,019 96.58% 11,000 96.60% 23,511 96.62%

                Looks like "J.J." won the primary with 57.65% of the vote.
                That's what they do, it's a trailer park.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by TJx2 View Post
                  I was there..not a choke..suspect was uncooperative while swapping cuffs for the wagon. Officer used pressure point to gain compliance and suspect went "weak knee." Election year, enough said. Shame to lose 22 years of service....
                  You look closely at the photo he wasn't strangling the guy he was using a pressure point on his neck, but you know how much police work has been watered down. Eventually we'll just start giving criminals hugs instead of taking them to jail.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Max K View Post
                    How about this well-known image:



                    There is no way to tell, from the image alone, whether this is some kind of child abuse. The revolver looks strange to me (cylinder no thicker than the barrel). But many people, who have seen the image, have already convicted that woman in their mind.

                    Those same people see the photos with the choke-hold and convict the officer in their mind, rather than admit to themselves: "we don't know what happened, the photos by themselves are insufficient evidence (of any wrongdoing or misconduct)".
                    Of course you can't literally convict her of child endangerment based on that, but no toddler should be casual and comfortable with any gun pointed two inches from her eyes. That looks like it could be chocolate, but how could she be expected to be accountable for knowing the difference if her 4-year-old brother finds Mom's cute little real number?

                    That has nothing to do with the officer's situation, of course, just that there is a lot more to that mother's competence than whether or not that gun is real.

                    And once again it's sanitizer who absolutely nails it with the best graphic!
                    "Snort-laughter is the best medicine"
                    ----- Mussel Bound


                    Don't forget to laugh today. The more implausible it seems, the more you need to.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Max K View Post
                      Pressure point? Is that the same as "Bilateral Vascular Restraint"? Here you can see that the officer's thumbs are below the ears of the suspect (or even farther towards the back of the neck), not in the front, not in a choking position, far away from the throat area.



                      Here is a description of the "Bilateral Vascular Restraint":

                      The BVR is effective not just because of the compression of the carotid arteries. It is primarily a combination of three occurrences, of which the least impact is derived from the compression of the carotid arteries. The proper application of a BVR results in fainting due to the compression of the carotid arteries, the compression of the jugular veins, and the stimulation of the vagus nerve. The vagus nerve controls involuntary body functions such as breathing and your heart beating. The panel determined that it takes about 11 ponds of pressure to block the carotid arteries and only five pounds of pressure to block the jugular veins. If the jugular veins are even partially blocked, blood flow from the head is slowed and blood becomes congested in the head. When pressure is applied to a resistor’s mid-neck area (the area of the jugular veins), the carotid sinuses determines there is an increase in blood pressure and signals the vagus nerve to respond to the threat by drastically slowing heart rate and lowering blood pressure, which results in fainting.

                      http://www.policeone.com/close-quart...k-the-carotid/
                      In this one, the suspect looks like he's laughing in the officer's face. Not an excuse, just an observation. He doesn't appear to be suffering or even intimidated.
                      "Snort-laughter is the best medicine"
                      ----- Mussel Bound


                      Don't forget to laugh today. The more implausible it seems, the more you need to.

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