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  • 3 rejections= No hire list?

    Now, I'm not sure HOW true this is...I have never been informed of this in the past.
    In brief conversation this came up and a cop told me that if you apply and get rejected from 3 departments you will get put on the no-hire list. There are multiple reasons why one could be rejected, if they had a clean background and made it far I would think the reason would be better candidates beat them out. I know people that have been rejected from 4-6 departments and got hired at another (People here have mentioned the multiple rejections)

    How true is this information....I searched the archives and could find nothing on it. I'm hoping it's BS; I googled it, and also found nothing. I feel like if this was true, I would have found more information on it. "An unofficial rule" In DFW was the reasoning behind this theory. I can imagine it could look bad, but if someone makes it far (think of the thousands of people applying) and there are 4 spots open and 10 make it pass background...then 6 will get rejections because others were more qualified. So if that person was on their 3rd rejection...they don't get hired elsewhere? Seems...odd to me. I know I posted a thread on here earlier(sorry to bombard you) But when I heard this it raised eyebrows and I wanted to get the opinion of MULTIPLE experienced officials on this board.
    Last edited by gemini625; 05-19-2013, 02:52 AM.

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    I have literally never heard of this. Have made it it to many levels in the hiring process (Officer positions) with a lot of agencies only to get the "not this time bud" letter, before getting on at a dispatching level. I still apply occasionally to some area PD's but our pool is flooded with applicants, most people around here will start the hiring process only to not get hired because they simply got beat out by a better applicant.
    The views expressed in the above post are the sole opinion of the author and do not reflect any official position by the author's employer and/or municipality.

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    • #3
      Phew! This is exactly what I thought. I'm not sure where this person is getting their information, but I'm glad that there is no "unofficial rule" 3x and your out requirement...

      I've always wondered though, if there WAS something in your background, would they call and tell you? Or would you get a letter saying you couldn't apply again. Because with mine I made it past background and it was going to chief's desk and I got the letter but it said I could apply again in 2 years (for that specific department).

      And when I told another department I made it far and didn't get it, there were no eyebrows raised...they said maybe it wasn't meant to be and I would be better suited for their department.

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      • #4
        Most of the time people that have something on their BG that would wash them KNOW what it is. Say an offense as a juvenile or a strange story involving some peanut butter that comes up during a poly. As far them telling you (and your other question) I believe there are some members on here with more knowledge on that than I, but I believe it is something that varies from dept. to dept.
        The views expressed in the above post are the sole opinion of the author and do not reflect any official position by the author's employer and/or municipality.

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        • #5
          Peanut butter...yeah I don't want to inquire further lol.

          Yeah I know there is nothing in my background. I'm just being overly paranoid; I've had a lot of seasonal jobs in my high school days so I thought MAYBE there was 1-2 that I forgot to put down because it had been so long. There was even one I did for a few months in 2007 that I couldn't remember the months so I called and they found no record of me nor could they tell me what dates I worked there...I put that on the personal history. Hey, I tried! I even put the ones that closed down, but it's not impossible that 1 may have slipped through the cracks. Hopefully they won't judge too harshly on that if they see you truthful otherwise? I have passed a poly before.

          I also did a very good clean sweep on my facebook etc. I've always been mindful and never had anything bad on it but I did have some modeling pics on there, quite a few actually. None were bad in the least or suggestive, BI even told me they were good pics. BUT there could have been some others that thought differently. They have all been since removed minus a few 100% normal of my face. I also deleted around 150 pics of myself, I thought it would look too vain...I had pics building up for over 6 years, I didn't need them all on there.

          I wonder though, if you pass a poly at one department if they could use the results for another if it's been within 6 months etc. I took one and passed the end of March. I think that also varies from department to department however.

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          • #6
            I can’t speak for Texas, but the principles of civil service agencies are based on merit. That means that each agency judges you on their individual standards, which can vary from department to department. This also means that several background DQs from different agencies are not a permanent bar to employment with all departments.

            However, because there is sharing between departments, all future agencies you apply with can find out about the basis for prior DQs and after conducting their own independent verification, use that incident as their own basis for DQ if it fits their criteria.

            I too, know people who have failed the background with several agencies only to see them hired by a department with less stringent background criteria.

            Lets also come to an understanding about what “other more qualified candidate” means in a background non select letter. An applicant who was not DQed on the background is “more qualified” than an applicant who was DQed. What that letter says is that you were DQed. They are simply being polite about it and by wording it the way they do, they are allowing you to save face and say “other more qualified candidate” instead if DQed on background on future applications. But whatever the issue is, it will be discovered when the background investigator with the new agency looks at the backgrounds from the old places you applied with.

            As someone else pointed out, most applicants know why they are being DQed. However, some just don't have a clue. Earlier today I spoke with an applicant who couldn’t understand why he kept getting DQed on the background. Within the past five years he had one at fault accident, three traffic cites, two license suspensions, had been driving without insurance for a year, had been fired for theft within the past year and had poor credit. He truly didn’t understand that combined, such trivial things would be an instant DQ for years to come.
            Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

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            • #7
              Originally posted by gemini625 View Post
              Now, I'm not sure HOW true this is...I have never been informed of this in the past.
              In brief conversation this came up and a cop told me that if you apply and get rejected from 3 departments you will get put on the no-hire list. There are multiple reasons why one could be rejected, if they had a clean background and made it far I would think the reason would be better candidates beat them out. I know people that have been rejected from 4-6 departments and got hired at another (People here have mentioned the multiple rejections)

              How true is this information....I searched the archives and could find nothing on it. I'm hoping it's BS; I googled it, and also found nothing. I feel like if this was true, I would have found more information on it. "An unofficial rule" In DFW was the reasoning behind this theory. I can imagine it could look bad, but if someone makes it far (think of the thousands of people applying) and there are 4 spots open and 10 make it pass background...then 6 will get rejections because others were more qualified. So if that person was on their 3rd rejection...they don't get hired elsewhere? Seems...odd to me. I know I posted a thread on here earlier(sorry to bombard you) But when I heard this it raised eyebrows and I wanted to get the opinion of MULTIPLE experienced officials on this board.
              It's very simple.

              1. Apply to dept A and get rejected. (the reason being, you were too much of a mammal.)

              2. Apply to dept B. A question is on the app that asks, "Have you ever applied to any other LE agencies?" Or something to that effect.

              3. Because you are honest, you answer "YES" and disclose that you applied to dept A.

              4. Dept B contacts dept A and asks for the REASONS of the disqualification. Dept A gives the reasons. "You were just toooo much of a mammal."

              5. Dept B decides that they are not hiring mammals either. Wash, rinse and repeat. If you are consistently getting rejected, you need to check yourself and make sure it's not something in your background thats hammering you.

              Some words of advice- If you have something in your background, disclose. The worst that can happen is you don't get hired. BUT if you lie, and don't disclose it, not only will you not get hired by that agency but you are pretty much fried for any other agency. This is post 9/11, agencies are taking the extraordinary measures to ensure no issues on "their" end.

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              • #8
                I think the national average right now is a person applies to somewhere between 10-30 agencies before getting hired.................

                I agree that if a person is consistently being NON SELECTED-----------------there is probably a reason
                Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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                • #9
                  I went through ~8-10 processes before being hired. Some do ask about other agencies you've applied to, and who you are currently in the process for, but I've never heard of the "3 and your out" BS. If that was the case, almost no one would have an LE career.

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                  • #10
                    One simple word.................Bullsh...t. Don't believe everything you hear, especially from self proclaimed experts. That said, let me refer to two previous replies which especially address your concerns.

                    They are Post #6, and Post #8. When you're finished reviewing them, go back and read the remainder of what my colleagues have shared with you. It's great information, it's true, and you can't beat the price.

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                    • #11
                      Very good information guys, thanks.

                      I keep thinking that it could have been something on my background but what is there?? I've had 1 accident in oct 2012, it was af but no ticket was issued, my brakes failed after I had just got new brake pads mind you and the lady I hit even took me to work for a week, said she enjoyed meeting me, and even offered to car pool after, yes that really happened!

                      This feb, a crazy lady in bumper to bumper traffic reversed her car into me 5x thinking she was going to change lanes despite my horn. This was in traffic and I was boxed in on all sides. Crazy lady was on her phone and screaming at me from inside car. She finally got over and drove off. I didn't call the cops or claim it on my insurance, I just reported the event to geico.

                      1 ticket ever, a speeding ticket in 2010 which I took defensive driving for.

                      And that's all I have. IF I had dqs, would the bi have passed my file to the chief to have him make his final decision and waste his time? And would he have told me he thought I had a good chance after IF there was something there? I was told I wouldn't have made it up the chain of command if their was a dq.

                      Also, I have never driven without insurance, never had a suspension and I still to this day, have never owned a credit card. Strictly debit card. My car payment and paying my share of rent is the only "debt" I have and I'm anal about my payments. Like seriously, my payment was a day late coming out of my account and I called and asked why.

                      Never touched a drug, never smoked pot or a cig. Been tipsy at most, I'm not a big drinker so I've never even been wasted etc.
                      Last edited by gemini625; 05-19-2013, 12:31 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PhilipCal View Post
                        One simple word.................Bullsh...t. Don't believe everything you hear, especially from self proclaimed experts. That said, let me refer to two previous replies which especially address your concerns.

                        They are Post #6, and Post #8. When you're finished reviewing them, go back and read the remainder of what my colleagues have shared with you. It's great information, it's true, and you can't beat the price.
                        Bingo. Total BS. Nuff said.
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                        • #13
                          Lol thanks everyone. If it went off on my BS radar, I figured it prob was...I have pretty good detection. However, I thought just to be sure I would bring it by possibly the best BS detection (this forum) around.

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                          • #14
                            I always get a good laugh when someone mentions "peanut butter boy."

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                            • #15
                              It is BS. I have worked and have been involved in the hiring process for Civil Service and non-Civil Service departments and there is no "list" in Texas.
                              Ut humiliter opinor

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