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  • Why do police keep dying in motorcades?

    http://forums.officer.com/t181163/

    Seems like this is becoming more common?

    Do my tax dollars really need to go to some buffoon politician being escorted by a motorcade? Is it all just part of the "pomp and circumstances", or is there a valid necessity for this kind of escort?
    He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High
    shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
    - Psalm 91:1

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  • #2
    First, Are you trying to make this a political statement or a legit concern for officer safety?
    "Its not what you know, its what you can prove."-Training Day

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    • #3
      Yep, there is a reason and it pertains to security, which would not be appropriate to discuss in a public forum.

      I can tell you these things are not undertaken lightly because of their tremendous manpower requirements and the disruption they cause to traffic and commerce in the area.
      Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

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      • #4
        L-1 100% nailed it!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by lpstopper View Post
          First, Are you trying to make this a political statement or a legit concern for officer safety?
          When have I ever made a political statement on these forums? Except maybe in the "Law and Politics" section?
          He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High
          shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
          - Psalm 91:1

          On Ignore - A few folks.

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          • #6
            Bad motorcycle " motorcades".

            Such a stupid thing. Security my ***$. That limo can stop an rpg. Who gives a rats behind, leave it to the secret service.

            Rip officer.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by NYCTNT View Post
              Bad motorcycle " motorcades".

              Such a stupid thing. Security my ***$. That limo can stop an rpg. Who gives a rats behind, leave it to the secret service.

              Rip officer.
              I'm not nor have I ever been a LEO, much less an employee of the Secret Service. But having read quite a bit of the available published material about that agency, I can tell you that freedom of movement is very important to keeping the CinC protected.

              The SS's main goal in keeping a protectee safe is to remove them from the location of a threat. A good protection plan doesn't see how well your toys work, but simply avoids having to find out how well they do or not. And a big part of doing that is to make sure the roads are clear of potential threats. By securing intersections from other traffic the agents have the ability to move their protectee as fast as necessary. That makes all the aspects of a motorcade (especially one involving the POTUS) vital to keeping USSS protectees safe.

              And part of the danger of undertaking these tasks is taking intersections. I have done this while escorting fallen heroes to their final resting place. I can tell you that there's simply a lot of HUA drivers who either don't pay attention to what they're doing or think that their lives are more important than anything that could be going on around them. I don't know what happened in this accident (obviously), but I'd bet the p/u driver is at fault at the very least for not yielding to an emergency vehicle. I've never seen an officer handling an escort without the x-mas lights going, so the p/u driver probably wasn't paying attention & pulled in front of the officer.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bsd13 View Post
                http://forums.officer.com/t181163/

                Seems like this is becoming more common?

                Do my tax dollars really need to go to some buffoon politician being escorted by a motorcade? Is it all just part of the "pomp and circumstances", or is there a valid necessity for this kind of escort?
                Are you serious? While you may not agree with his politics or views, he is still the POTUS. In all actuality the escort is needed as once the motorcade starts moving, under no circumstances does it stop. Would make the motorcade somewhat of an easier target if it had to stop dont you think?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NYCTNT View Post
                  Bad motorcycle " motorcades".

                  Such a stupid thing. Security my ***$. That limo can stop an rpg. Who gives a rats behind, leave it to the secret service.

                  Rip officer.
                  The SS are not the police and thus do not have the authority to stop and or manipulate the traffic or its pattern. For that reason, that is why motorcade units/traffic units from that particular jurisdiction provide the escort, unless it is here in the DC Metro area which then ALWAYS consist of MPD/US Park units.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bsd13 View Post
                    When have I ever made a political statement on these forums? Except maybe in the "Law and Politics" section?

                    You seem more concerned with your tax dollars than you do that a life was lost.

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                    • #11
                      The problem, I see, is a lack of intersection control. As expensive as it may be, there HAVE TO BE more boots on the ground and vehicles in static positions. Either that, or take to the air and say, "Screw the photo ops!"
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PeteBroccolo View Post
                        The problem, I see, is a lack of intersection control. As expensive as it may be, there HAVE TO BE more boots on the ground and vehicles in static positions. Either that, or take to the air and say, "Screw the photo ops!"
                        Even limiting methods of transportation would cause a safety issue (predicatibility).
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pogue Mahone View Post
                          Even limiting methods of transportation would cause a safety issue (predicatibility).
                          No. not entirely. What my colleague has advanced is an option very much geared to protecting the VIP, whoever he/she might be. The decision to use the option is usually NOT that of state or local authorities.

                          I don't wish to really get too much deeper into a discussion of options and tactics, as a public forum simply is not the place for them. Your comment in Post#12 is valid though, and is a consideration. One of many.

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                          • #14
                            Because idiots think they are slick going through an alley way onto a street and into the lane .

                            If people followed direction and stopped thinking " They were beating the roadblock" you would barley read about these.
                            MDRDEP:

                            There are no stupid questions, but there sure are a lot of inquisitive idiots.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jcioccke View Post
                              Because idiots think they are slick going through an alley way onto a street and into the lane .

                              If people followed direction and stopped thinking " They were beating the roadblock" you would barley read about these.
                              Perhaps the government & media could do a better job of educating the public that drivers need to be more on their toes when POTUS or VPOTUS are in town, asking them to be more aware of potential roadblocks than just the obvious ones. And to watch for emergency vehicles anywhere in the area of a potential route.

                              Philipcal;
                              You are correct in both your statements. As to the latter, I only spoke to what I did due to the fact I wasn't disclosing anything that hadn't been published already, and didn't eliminate options. I would consider anything that hadn't been published and eliminated options to be a violation of OPSEC.
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