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    Correction Officers are Law Enforcement Officers. Do you make a distinction in that a Police Officer is a Law Enforcement Officer as opposed To A Correction Officer? Do you view Correction Officers as wannabe Police Officers, Just "Guards, etc.,? Like to get your opinions.

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    PO and CO

    Fact of the matter is alot of POs will look down on COs. Its wrong that they do, but alot do regardless of what anyone says here. CO who work in very large metro jails and CO who work in open max prisons have very difficult and dangerous jobs and they do not get the respect their due from PO and society in general.

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    • #3
      Yes, we make a distinction. Corrections officers are not police officers, and I would go so far as to say they are not law enforcement officers (in my jurisdiction) because they do not have arrest powers and are not required to meet POST certification.

      That being said, corrections officers have a difficult and dangerous job to do, and I would not classify them as "wannabes". Some sheriff departments require new hires to spend a certain amount of time working at the detention center before they move out to patrol.

      Kristen

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      • #4
        Where I worked (in California) there were two distinct catagories at the county level.

        A Deputy Sheriff was a sworn peace officer, be it a custody officer, or patrol, or whatever, who was a peace officer 24/7 on or off duty. He was expected to take "appropriate action" upon witnessing a felony whether on or off duty. Before I go any further, let me state that "appropriate action" was most usually being the best witness you could be, and calling for help. You were NOT expected to "front yourself" when not on the job, unless absolutely necessary to preserve life.

        A Corrections officer on the other hand, is not considered a "sworn officer," is NOT expected to be a "cop" 24/7 and probably cannot even carry a firearm off duty, unless licensed for concealed carry.

        HOWEVER, the corrections officer truely IS a cop. He works in the "roughest neighborhood in town," unarmed inside the facility, with odds that are hugely against him. He may well be doing the exact job that a higher paid deputy sheriff does. While he is on duty, he IS a peace officer, with all the powers and responsibilities that entails. If he is working a court detail, or a transport detail, or babysitting a hospitalized inmate, he certaily will be armed. But at the end of his shift, he can go home and forget about it until time to go to work again.

        OK, I know you didn't ask for opinions, but I've never been bashful about saying what I think. I think that having the corrections officer (or detention officer) position in a county jail sucks BIG TIME. All it is, is a way for the county to save money. The C/O (orD/O) is every bit earning the same pay, as his higher paid counter part is. He just is NOT getting it.

        As for the state corrections officers, I really can't say what their peace officer powers are. But I CAN tell you that as far as I'm concerned, if you are a C/O (D/O) you certainly ARE law enforcement.

        Just Guards? Hell, man we are ALL JUST BABYSITTERS!
        6P1 (retired)

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        • #5
          The question reminds me of the gentleman who lived in my neighborhood while I was growing up. He was a corrections officer, but a "supercop" of sorts. He even bought a used Kawasaki Police motorcylce when my local dept. started using Harley, and would ride around on it in his uniform. We figured he either really liked wearing his uniform, or worked really strange hours.

          :-)

          I've heard stories from some local corrections officers though... and from these, I'd say they go through a lot and deserve a lot of respect.

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          • #6
            correctional officer 'v' police officer

            The following says alot:

            Roll Call

            Just as the men and women in blue attend roll call before their tour of duty, so do we, but instead of being armed with pistols, we are armed with whistles.
            Just as the men and women in blue, we too do not know if we will greet our loved ones at the end of the day.
            It takes a correctional officer to deal with society's undesirables, the overcrowding of prisons, the thanklessness of the public and to efficiently carry out the duties of a job that so many criticize and so little want.
            During our tour of duty not only are we correctional officers we are also; police officers, firepersons, suicide watch, coroners, nurses, counselors, computer operators, mailpersons, newspaper delivery persons, the united parcel service, and more......
            And with all of this in mind at the beginning of our tour...
            We will stand tall beneath our hats.
            With pride we wear our shields.
            And with unity, integrity, and professionalism,
            Like soldiers we march side by side into our unpredictable institutions both
            Bonafide and qualified to handle any situation that may erupt.

            Author Unknown

            We all are a team, We all work to protect the public in our own way, if it wasn't for All of Us, what would the world be like?

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            • #7
              correctional officer

              "Double tap" deleted.
              Last edited by Don; 07-08-2003, 10:42 AM.

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              • #8
                The distinction is even made in Officer .Com. It is ashame that it does not say Patrol officer.Com or K-9 Officer.com or even Booking Officer .com it has said Officer.com
                Anyone can be critical of all the different divisions of law enforcment but what it comes down to is that we all need each other to make it work. With the few that try to promot their job as being the most important look at Law Enforcment with blinders and only think of themselves
                Have even recieved a E-mail from one of the moderators of the forums telling me that I was less than a law officer. I have been trying to get my restricted access back which I had when i joined. It was soft soaped alittle but it still reads the same as second class LEO.
                name with held to protect
                Under current policies, correctional staff are not eligible for RA clearance, unless they hold a sworn position with powers of arrest. I know there are good arguments for allowing corrections personnel, but that is the current policy.

                and what is really strange is that all the moderators are not in law enforcment.
                Last edited by king310; 07-08-2003, 12:09 AM.
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                • #9
                  All existing policies related to who gets where will be revisited in the near future. We will ensure security in the various restricted access areas, and also be fair.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by king310
                    Have even recieved a E-mail from one of the moderators of the forums telling me that I was less than a law officer. I have been trying to get my restricted access back which I had when i joined. It was soft soaped alittle but it still reads the same as second class LEO.
                    Although I have only been a mod for a few months, I have NEVER heard any of the staff that I worked with refer to, or imply that, CO's being second-class citizens.

                    Under current policies, correctional staff are not eligible for RA clearance, unless they hold a sworn position with powers of arrest. I know there are good arguments for allowing corrections personnel, but that is the current policy.
                    Again I have never heard that, but I will post this in the Staff Room and get back to you.

                    and what is really strange is that all the moderators are not in law enforcment.
                    With the exception of Cygnus/OfficerDotCom, ALL of the moderators that have been here since the beginning of the year (right before I was promoted to moderator) are either current or retired LEO's.

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                    • #11
                      Every jurisdiction is different as it pertains to Peace Officer / LEO status for Detention / Corrections staff. The job is tough, and I know a lot of police officers that wouldn't do the job without a gun. Just like cops, the few bad apples (like the guy riding around on his Harley) give the rest of these professionals a bad name. Would all of NYPD like to be judged by the "buddy boys"? or NOPD for Ms. Franks? Regretfully, the public, and a lot of officers like to paint with a broad brush.

                      I have worked both sides of the walls, as a street cop, and in jails. The hours are just as bad, the persons you deal with are obviously not the best caliber, and your fellow criminal justice professionals don't give you the respect you deserve, frequently calling you "wannabes".

                      I wrote a post recently regarding ethics on the Big House board seeking input, and received some interesting ideas. I think that if some officers would really take the time to talk with a CO or DO, they would find that many parts of the job are similar, and that the ethical dilemmas and such are very similar. Yes, there are distinct differences, but that is what makes them unique.

                      My agency for years started all staff out in the jail division. We now use Detention Staff. My experience has shown that those that started out in the jails / prisons in general dealt better with people, use force more judiciously, think on their feet better, and usually remember EVERYBODY they ever dealt with in the criminal world.

                      True, I would rather put crooks in jail than babysit them, but the job does have its rewards. Thanks for the opportunity to vent!
                      "A pint of sweat will save a gallon of blood." Lt. Gen. George S. Patton

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                      • #12
                        Sticking to the original question. Yes, I make a distinction between police officer and corrections officer. Yes, I consider them both to be law enforcement officers. No, I don't view CO's as "wanna-be's". I think CO's have just as tough a job as we do. I don't envy them one bit and would treat them just as I would another LEO out on the street.

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                        • #13
                          I work along side POs and COs in my position in the Identification Bureau.

                          The COs are Sworn Officers who just got the FOP to represent them in contract negotiations and whanot.
                          Men discovered fire women learnt to play with.

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                          • #14
                            I think that I could lend a little expertise on this subject. In the last year I went from a non-sworn DO position in one state to a sworn Deputy Sheriff position in Colorado. Before I was considered just a Detention Officer, now everyone says i'm a cop. Right now as a new Deputy I am assigned (gag) to the jail. The only difference that I can see between the two jobs is: 1, more training for a Deputy, more pay for a Deputy, more respect by civilians for a Deputy. It is kind of funny, I am literally doing the same job as before, but when I used to tell people I was a DO, the reaction was kind of "oh", now it is like "instant respect, just add power". People act around you in a different way when they find out your a cop, even though I am doing the exact same job (I guess it is the added power thing). What is the difference between a CO/DO and a cop? certainly not the type of person. Cops who look down on CO/DOs have serious ego problems, they are no better then CO or DOs. In fact, for what I have seen, cops who have started out in a detentions/corrections field make better cops (not in all cases). After all, I deal with hundreds of the worst scum humanity has to offer, in only one 12 hour day. How many street cops can say that?

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                            • #15
                              Define "real law enforcement officer" ?

                              When a citizen or fellow officer makes ignorant comments like that, their is usually a reason for it.

                              ignorance or ego? so which is it?
                              -pint
                              The only way to survive in the police department is to be anonymous, because if they can point you out for some reason, then they can attack you. Cops operate out of fear and jeopardy. In the police department power is based on rank, not intelligence.
                              -MOTHERS MAXIM-BILL MCCARTHY RET.NYPD.

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