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    Can an employer make you use your comp time at their convenience?

    I tried doing some reaearch and only found that the employee can request to take some of their comp time and get it approved only if the absence does not burden the agency, such as man power issues.
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    It appears they can compel use of CTO to reduce hour accumulation.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=25f...20time&f=false

    http://sogpubs.unc.edu/electronicver...dfs/pplb21.pdf
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    • #3
      Heres one for you, we work 12 hours, but only get paid 8 hours of holiday pay. If we take sick or vacation time, naturally we have to use 12 hours. How is that right?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by rgv_cop View Post
        Can an employer make you use your comp time at their convenience?
        We could by law but could not per union contract.........................


        Originally posted by Interceptor View Post
        Heres one for you, we work 12 hours, but only get paid 8 hours of holiday pay. If we take sick or vacation time, naturally we have to use 12 hours. How is that right?
        Check your collective bargaining contract...................

        Contact the US Department of Labor Wage and Hour division to see if it is legal absent of a contract
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        • #5
          When we went to 12s, it seemed unfair to only get the same fringe time as with 8s, but having to use more to get time off. However, when you think about it, you only work 7 out of 14 days. Several years later, the chief put on back on 8s to penalize us. At that point we could do 8s standing on our heads, but we sure did miss the extra days off. Face it, the gov unit isn't going to give you more fringe time.
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          • #6
            What exactly is comp time? Similar to vacation days?

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            • #7
              It's time off in lieu of OT.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by CACBAND View Post
                It's time off in lieu of OT.
                So if you worked 16 hours of OT you'd get 2 vacation days? A bit of a foreign concept for me, since everyone I know of gets paid their OT around here.
                Last edited by LINY; 02-04-2012, 11:04 PM.

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                • #9
                  No 48 hours of comp time, it's hour for hour.

                  In the screwed up case above, they only get 8 hours (a normal work day) even though they work 12 hour shifts.
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                  • #10
                    Also Comp time is normally an option and can't usually be forced onto a person in lieu of OT. It's also common for salaried as they get no OT.
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                    • #11
                      We don't get paid overtime if we work over on our shift. The only paid OT comes from working federal projects (DUI, OPO, etc) My department can force us to use the c time if you have a lot of hours built up, but I can also use it at my discretion. If I go to work and 4 hours into my shift I want to go home, I go home on c time. If I need a day off, I call in and say that I'm taking c time for the day, however c time can be denied if there's a shortage or on weekends and holidays. C time is earned like OT would be...at time and a half.
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                      • #12
                        We get to choose between cash and comp time. If we work an 8 hour OT shift, we get 12 hours comp or 1 1/2 times our usual hourly pay. We have designated 4 comp slots per shift no matter if it shorts the shift. (Our union had a backbone at one time in the past! ) We also have a set number of vacation slots per shift and classification (Deputy, CO, Dispatcher) which is supposed to make sure the shifts aren't too short.

                        However, the command union recently accepted a contract that eliminates comp altogether and the county wants us to accept a similar contract. We rejected it for a whole number of reasons (allows part time employees, loss of half our benefits, etc.) so we'll see what happens in arbitration.
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                        • #13
                          Comp time is supposed to accrue at time and a half, just like the cash would. So, 12 hours in exchange for eight OT, not the other way around. I was surprised with a nice, fat check in the mail a couple of years after leaving a job, covering all of the straight comp time hours worked.
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                          • #14
                            One more opinion...Yes, employers CAN have you take Comp Time off at their discretion. Usually this happens when they are "fat" on certain days, and they need to clean-up any overtime. Compensatory Time or Comp Time is overtime in lieu of paid, (cash) overtime. It should accrue at 1 1/2 times the actual overtime hours worked. Like Iowa said, check with your Union Rep or with your agencies' policy regarding overtime.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by codemanski View Post
                              One more opinion...Yes, employers CAN have you take Comp Time off at their discretion. Usually this happens when they are "fat" on certain days, and they need to clean-up any overtime. Compensatory Time or Comp Time is overtime in lieu of paid, (cash) overtime. It should accrue at 1 1/2 times the actual overtime hours worked. Like Iowa said, check with your Union Rep or with your agencies' policy regarding overtime.
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                              State of Iowa contract allows comp time to accrue at time and a half................a person can only "bank" comp time up to 80 hrs.

                              All comp time has to be paid out/used by the end of the fiscal yr (June 30) or it WILL be paid.
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