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    How embarrassing...
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/frame/d...t12061101a.asp

    Glad it wasn't worse.
    Paul

  • #2
    Oops is right! Like I always say, the FBI should stick to bean counting and let the real cops do the hands-on stuff! Heheheh...flame on!!

    Seriously though, I'm glad he's ok. I wonder how much heat the Glock is going to take over this one. FBI will probably be carrying S&W's again this time next year because of this!

    G.A.

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    [This message has been edited by Glockarmorer (edited 06-12-2001).]
    No cops, know anarchy.

    "He aint finna come all up in my house and act a fool and be gettin away with it cause I will go smooth off." -Movista

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    • #3
      And Like I always say: FBI Agents are still "real cops", they just have alot more law degrees and accountants.

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      • #4
        A little journalistic licence.

        The Wisconsin FBI's second-in-command shot himself yesterday. Police said FBI representatives refused to release any information on the accident. "This is typical FBI" said a spokesperson.

        It was the first incident at the facility.

        The agent neglected to check for bullets in the chamber of his .40-caliber Glock pistol.

        Special Agent Christopher Lorek told police that it's necessary to pull the trigger on the pistol to make it work.

        Lorek saw Berkin pull the trigger and the gun fired, because "there must have been a bullet in the chamber." "Really" said the police officer. "Yup!" said the FBI agent.

        "It wasn't the worst-case scenario. If he'd known what he was doing it could have been worse." Officer Geiszler said, adding "We teach our people to aim for the centre of mass. Obviously the FBI do things differently"

        FBI Milwaukee field office spokeswoman Cathy Fahey declined to comment on anything related to the shooting, including Berkin's condition, whether he has returned to work and whether the FBI is conducting an investigation into the shooting. "What incident?" asked Fahey, "Any suggestion that there may have been an incident, which I must stress has not been determined, is extremely frivolous, given that the FBI has not yet (and "yet" does not indicate any presupposition of the fact of an investigation at any time in the future) determined whether or not an investigation will be held in order to determine whether in fact an incident took place which would warant the instigation of an investigation and the associated cost to the taxpayer of this great United States of America that we in the Federal Bureau of Investigation are so priveleged to serve and protect."

        "Nonetheless," continued Fahey "You can rest assured that the FBI will do all that is necessary to resolve this discussion. I really have no other comment to make at this time. Thank you for your cooperation."

        The FBI said its Washington office would be conducting its own investigation. Sources stated that discipline charges may be laid against the culprit. Early indications are that a Glock Forty is the prime suspect. Two experts have been called in to assist the FBI in the inquiry. "As acknowledged experts in firearms technology, Mr Wesson and I feel that we are well situated to give unbiased assistance in this matter" said Mr Smith.


        "We responded to it as a rescue call," Geiszler said. "Because it's the FBI, it's left to them to investigate because we obviously don't have any control over a federal agency. Actually, we're not sure if anyone does."

        According to the Muskego police report, Berkin's leg received tow wounds from the round. After piercing Berkin's left thigh, the bullet exited his thigh and re-entered his left leg at the top of his left calf and continued downward, exiting his calf above his left ankle. "This was a cost saving demonstration" said an FBI spokesperson, adding "We try to teach our agents to get more value out of the taxpayers dollar."



        Actually, not only was Berkin lucky, so were the others in the range area.


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        • #5
          OWWWWWW!

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          • #6
            Sigh. One more "accidental" discharge to make people hate Glocks. Look, if you can't remember to check the chamber before you disassemble your weapon, maybe you need a different weapons course.

            A few discharges almost exactly like this were given as the final reason why we weren't allowed Glocks in our Academy (thus forcing me to sell mine, buy a new gun, sell IT and buy a Glock again when we were done with firearms). A local deputy shot himself in the leg in exactly the same way.

            Say it with me people (especially those at the FBI, I guess)- remove the magazine; lock the slide back and CHECK THE CHAMBER to ensure it is clear; if ya can, get another person to do it, too; and THEN start taking it apart Hey, if I can make it through the Academy without shooting myself or somebody else, you can too!
            I am disrespectful to dirt. Can you see that I am serious? - Mr. Sparkle

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            • #7
              I have a Glock, and one of the first things I was taught is to clear your weapon before leaving the range, cleaning, dry fireing etc...Ouch, but maybe he will remember to use safety next time!!!!!

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              • #8
                Just the explanaton of checking your Glock scares me! One reason I teach learning disable and emotionally disturbed kids is that I am also learning disabled. (Some would say I'm disturbed too!lol)
                I definitely suffer from Attention Span Deficit. But, there was no help for this when I was growing up and I somehow compensated for it and went on with my life. Even made it through collge, no small feat for someone with my problem. How I did it, I don't know.
                But, my ADD is still there. My attention wanders and I'm constantly having to call myself to the task at hand. I am easily distracted also. So, that's why I don't think a gun is for me. I don't think I'm safe! lol

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                • #9
                  copitsweet,

                  Special Agent Christopher Lorek told police that it's necessary to pull the trigger on the pistol to make it work.
                  A little bit of a miss quote there. He said you have to pull the trigger in order to release the slide. This is a true statement for a Glock but the end result is he still didn't clear the gun first.



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                  It's easier to get out of jail than it is a morgue. Live long and defend yourself!

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                  It's easier to get out of jail than it is a morgue. Live long and defend yourself!

                  Jhn 3:16
                  NRA Lifer
                  GOA
                  GSSF
                  KABA
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                  • #10
                    Hey look at the silver lining here. Sounds like he's a better shot than Lon Horiuchi...

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                    [This message has been edited by valor55 (edited 06-13-2001).]
                    I intend to go in harm's way. -John Paul Jones

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                    • #11
                      It will only be a matter of time before the FBI and other departments make a knee jerk reaction and ban all Glocks from their respective departments. I am pretty sure that this rule is universal: ALWAYS treat a firearm as if it is loaded until you prove otherwise.

                      I guarantee that there is not one instructor who doesn't teach that rule.

                      I always learned that there is no such thing as an "accidental" discharge. If you shoot yourself "accidently" then you did something pretty stupid.

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                      • #12
                        There are TWO types of "uncontrolled" discharges...

                        Accidental and Negligent...

                        Accidental is a weapon related mechanical malfunction that actually happens very rarely in real life. Example... a man sets his rifle upon the fender of his pickup truck and bends over to scrape the mud off of his boots, upon doing so knocks rifle to the ground and it discharges...

                        Negligent...usally caused by lack of training, NO training, absentmindedness or just plain stupidity.
                        When a person has been around guns all of his life , has above average knowledge of them and has a negligent discharge, it is usaully absentmindedness or just plain stupidity that causes it.Unfortunatley NO amount of training can remedy this. One must respect the weapon at all times and be constantly aware. In reality, if someone could figure out how to prevent someone from getting stupid or spacing out with gun in hand...they would get rich.

                        train,train and train some more...and NEVER get commonplacement with ANY weapon.


                        "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

                        Norman Thomas

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                        • #13
                          But wouldn't setting a loaded gun down like that be considered neglient?

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                          • #14
                            Not necessarily. Setting it down and leaving it unattented, yes.

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                            • #15
                              We now know one guy who didn't press check before pulling the trigger. Press check is used to check the chamber for a round. I carried a 1911 for about 10 years and never had a problem. Some of the other officer's just knew I was going to shoot myself with that evil pistol. Somehow it was going to go off on it's own. Now I carry a Glock 35 on duty. It goes bang when the trigger is pulled and a round is in the chamber, period. Best

                              [This message has been edited by KIDCOP (edited 06-13-2001).]
                              Slow is Smooth, Smooth is fast.

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