"Trying to be black"

[Mrs. Fish]

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Orginally posted by 10millMikey:

I wanna be an Asian female. How do I go about doing that?
Maybe Mrs Fish can help me out?

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Mikey, you'll be a fine asian woman We'll be identical twins

[ 11-11-2002, 10:16 AM: Message edited by: Mrs. Fish ]

[BrickCop]

I agree with 555 on this one.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that if a white kid grows up in a predominately black neighborhood he will talk/act just like 'all the other kids'.

Admittedly, I do get annoyed with the spoiled suburban white kids who's only experience with a hood is with the one on their rain coat. It's sad that they have to pretend they're like hard core thugs/rappers. Just stop it- you kids look silly.

As previously noted, it cuts both ways. Black people who do not speak in the (stereotypical)street talk are often labeled as Uncle Tom's or sellouts. I guess it sets a bad example to speak english people can understand.

[FLLawdog]

First of all to say "act white" or "act black" are stereotypes. However, of course some mannerisms are ethnic in nature.

But, with that said, I can understand the black kid raised in suburbia listening to typically white music and I can understand white kids raised in the 'hood gravitating toward black music. I can also understand them taking on the other's speech and mannerisms.

What I don't understand is Homey Whitebread, born and raised in the sticks or in suburbia. The closest he's ever come to a real live black person is either on MTV or the transplant from the city. But he now has a POS '85 Caprice with more money in rims and tires than he does his car. This same kid wil wear the "wife beater" and khakis hanging off his a**, have his head shaved and may even have at least a partial grill going on. This is the Vanilla Ice mentality..."I'm as white as they come, but the black kids have all the chicks. If I didn't really live the life, big deal, I can always make it up. Image is everything".

Now, my pet peeves on this...

1. The white kid who talks like he has ball bearings and oatmeal in his mouth because it's cool to mumble.

2. The white kid with the obvious fake ghetto accent.

3. The pants off the a**!!!

(C)Rap music...

1. Before you pick a band name or put out an album, get an f'ing spell checker!!! First of it's THE...T-H-E!!!, not T-H-A!!!

2. Are you a musical group or an f'ing eye chart? "OK, Mr. Lawdog, read line 5 for me." "D M X J A R U L E". "Good, now line 6..."

3. Sampling. I was ****ed when Vanilla Fake used Queen's "Under Pressure", then I hear some group using Kashmir. I don't mind an homage...or a cover...or whatever you want to call it, but to use the group's riff just to cover up with your own stuff is beyond bad taste...it's sacriligious!

As far as record companies killing music. They only supply the demand. Of course they also have a knack of creating what they want the record buying to want. Enter the cookie cutter bands like Backdoor Boys, N Stynk and O Clown.

Music was going down hill fast (according to my musical taste) in the late 80's. Everthing was over produced, electrical...crap. They went after the hook line or catchy tune to get that one record out. Look at what musical generation has the most documented one hit wonders and then at look at what genre they come from.

Enter 1992. Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Pearl Jam. There's something different knocking on the door...and Marky Mark, you may not want to answer it! For the time frame, this change was good (once again, in my musical taste). But, here's the big problem. These are alternative bands. The same ones who shun commercialism and corporate involvement in music and now they're the next big thing...about to be marketed to the same people who had New Kids, Tiffany and Debbie Gibson shoved down their throats just a few years earlier. When the pressure of popularity collides with their "musical morals", you get someone trying to sip their mocha latte through a 12 guage.

For my age and taste, this stuff was great! Finally, the guitar is making a comeback as the lead instrument. However, this is also when the political agendas became the bigger selling point than their music. Rain forests, Tibetans, whales...the cause du jour. Through it all, I still gravitated to the classics...KISS, Van Halen, Def Leppard (talk about SURVIVORS!), Zepplin, Aerosmith. Give me a guitar, solid drums and maybe some slight keyboard, especially a Hammond B3, and I'm happy. Don't give me this overproduced, jumping around on the stage for their 12 year old fans or life is so bad because of global warming s***. I want MUSIC!!!

Around '91/'92 is also when I started getting into Country music. The first song I can really paying attention to was Travis Tritt's "Anymore". Man, the song was good enough, but the video still leaves me with a lump in my throat. The other one that drew me in was Allison Krauss with "I've got that Old Feeling". If the Sirens had voices like that, no wonder sailors would run their ships aground.

It's called classic rock for a reason. Because it can stand the test of time. The only way the corporate groups will be remembered is as a punch line.

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and i don't think you are going to endear yourself on this forum with your line about corrupt cops either.

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I'm thinking IPD was speaking tongue in cheek with that one.

Looking back, it appears as though I got on a bit of a rant.

[ 11-11-2002, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: FLLawdog ]

[555]

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Originally posted by C in a J:

Nick, I think 555 meant was that kids see cops in real life, percieve them correctly or incorrectly to be corrupt, and thus wouldn't really "learn" anything from The Shield. She didn't say all cops were corrupt.

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Did I say ANYTHING about cops?

[FLLawdog]

555, I think IPD's quote was wrongly attributed to you. You can gather your Hanes Her Ways back up now

[Frank Booth]

Next thing you know, those damn kids will be wearing their hair long and dressing like those crazy British singers.

[That Guy]

All the music that is being spoken about is OLD.
From what I remember the 70's and 80's were just as scattered with one hit wonders as it is today.
Only a handfull of groups produced 2 or more albums and most of there later ones did not sell. What sells is what is sold.
The music that you listen to and grew up with are one the stations that you look for. And that music sounds better to ya.
Most opinions about the dress and music are the same opinions YOUR parents made about the times you grew up in(i.e. mini skirts, Beetles, Hot pants,Elvis etc).
The times have changed and you have to keep forward or your going to be left behind in the past. If you like past then turn AC DC up.
Now I agree with the whole suburbia thing.
To most of these people it is aphase and they will grow out of it.

[ 11-11-2002, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: That Guy ]

[Alyssa]

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Originally posted by FLLawdog:
Backdoor Boys

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Oh no you did not just go there!

[Mitzi]

My son was going through some pictures taken when he was in high school. He is 26 now, very handsome (I'm predjudiced) and dresses very nicely. But when he saw these pictures he said, "MOM! Why did you let me go out looking like that? Look at my hair? Why didn't you make me get it cut?" My H was almost doubled over with laughter. Me too. He said, "What's so funny?" I told him, "Son, we couldn't have made you dress any differently or wear your hair any differently back then. That was the "cool" look. Don't you remember the arguments over getting your hair cut?"
But I'll never forget the day he came home with spiked hair. My H took one look and said, "Ain't no way, no how you are wearing your hair that way." He made him get in the car and my son was being such a snot nosed brat my H said, "LOOK! You can have HIM (the barber) cut your hair or you can have ME do it. Make up your mind." He came home with a decent haircut and stayed away from my very ticked off husband. lol

[555]

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Originally posted by tcsd1236:
It drives me nute, these kids trying to "act Black". I have to believe that you know what that means, in spite of your question. I don't care if it IS the "dominant culture" in their immediate area. The whole rap/urban Black thing is ridiculous..the Blacks should stop posturing that way, let alone their white kid immitators.

You don't see many people acting that way in the professional business world. If they want to get ahead, these kids need to drop the act and grow up.

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Why is it ridiculous? It's not any more ridiculous than the way the country club crowd from Greenwhich act. The question wasn't is it ridiculous or not but is it even valid to say that someone is "acting black" or "acting white".

[555]

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Originally posted by FLLawdog:
555, I think IPD's quote was wrongly attributed to you. You can gather your Hanes Her Ways back up now

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It's not like I was mad.

[Frank Booth]

It's true. The corporate music world AND the artists sold out. Take Santana for instance. The stuff he USED to play was great. But now he goes "commercial" doing stuff with rap guys, and that dork Rob Thomas, and he's finally a smash like he should have been all along.....But now his music sucks, in my opinion....

[That Guy]

Rob Thomas was great with that first album w/Third Eye Blind. But that new one sucks.
What do you guys think about afro-americans hwo act "white"(proper language, mannerisms). I work with a guy like that and he is from the Bronx.
I have been on calls with him where people seem to be surpries when he speaks and most ignore him.

TG

[BrickCop]

Unless it is not your native language, I think everyone should speak English 'properly'.

[tcsd1236]

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Originally posted by That Guy:
What do you guys think about afro-americans hwo act "white"(proper language, mannerisms). I work with a guy like that and he is from the Bronx.

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Now why is that considered "white"? Thats PROPER language usage, nothing more.