"Balls"y Lady takes care of would be rapist!!!

[nickg]

BAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!! GOOD FOR THE ROTTEN PUKE!!!---------------------------------------------------

Rapist dies the hard way

The Herald Online ^ | 11/07/02 | Herald Reporter

A 22-YEAR-OLD Chiweshe man died instantly after a 50-year-old woman he attempted to rape overpowered him when she tugged at his genitals.

The two had met at Rwere Business Centre in Chief Makope’s area in Chiweshe on November 1.

The man, Wonder Kazingizi (22), had offered to accompany Erica Maramba who had just got off a bus on her way to a memorial service at Mahere homestead in Mudzamiri Village.

On the way, Kazingizi proposed love to Maramba but his proposal was turned down.

He allegedly started fondling Maramba in an attempt to be intimate with her.

She maintained her calm and pretended she was accepting the advances.

When Kazingizi had relaxed and thought he was having it his way, Maramba went for the most delicate part of his body.

The elderly woman suddenly grabbed Kazingizi’s genitals and started pulling them until he lost consciousness.

Maramba continued pulling until Kazingizi died on the spot.

She further assaulted him with a stone on the head and knees.

The woman reported the incident to police at Bare Police Station two days later.

Mashonaland Central provincial police spokesperson Inspector Dawson Mahonde said the incident occurred around 8.30pm last Friday.

"Kazingi’s body was recovered on Monday by his father and has since been taken to Howard Hospital for a post-mortem," Insp Mahonde said.

He said the man was on police wanted list in connection with several other rape cases committed in the area.

[Snoopy1]

The article said the woman was 50 years old. It later referred to her as "elderly". I will be 70 later this month and am just now beginning to think of myself as "almost elderly".

Incidentally, where did this happen? I don't recognize the locations mentioned. Perhaps I'm just getting Alzheimers.

[nickg]

i think somewhere in africa. not exactly sure though the article was from zimbabwe.

[ 11-08-2002, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: nickg ]

[kirch]

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The elderly woman suddenly grabbed Kazingizi’s genitals and started pulling them until he lost consciousness.

Maramba continued pulling until Kazingizi died on the spot

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She pulled on his genitals till he died? I just thought you'd go blind.

[nickg]

QUOTE:
"I just thought you'd go blind."

I CAN'T SEE, I CAN'T SEE.....!!!!!

[ 11-08-2002, 04:12 PM: Message edited by: nickg ]

[blondie72]

She should have stopped pulling when he became unconscious, and immeadiately contacted the authorities.

The threat to herself was eliminated when he lost consciousness.

To assault/ injure, or cause the death of an unconscious person (I don't care how awful that person is), is a crime unto itself, in my opinion. The mark of a civilized society is that we don't allow people to take the law into their own hands.

[gazza]

MARK OF A CIVILISED SOCIETY DONT TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS..Lot of women who have been violated by so called civilised men in society wouldnt agree with that..at least he wont be doing it to any other women..1 down how many more to go

[blondie72]

Being a woman, I am unfortunately all too aware of what SOME men do, G***a. I am not speaking from emotion here, but from reason.

I still disagree w/ you, and make my statement again. To cause the death of an unconscious person (no matter how vile they are), is to take the law into ones own hands.

Call the authorities, and let them take care of it. That's what we have a criminal justice system for.

If we allowed people to take the law into their own hands all the time, there would be lynch mobs and anarchy.

[gazza]

Still wont agree with you blondie,the criminal justice system sometimes they should leave out justice and have the criminal system,after 17 years in corrections one becomes a bit bewildered at so called hard sentences handed down, i think some Judges need retraining or take a real hard look at Victim Impact statements instead of sleeping at the bench my thought is people just get sick of slack sentencing and easy jail time and think ahhh well save the taxpayer a few dollars,as i say my thought only,Here the victims get bugger all why the Criminal gets ,3 sq meals a day,apaid job in prison can get university degrees free medical and dental,protection from other prisoners,day release the list goes on all the while the victim still has an immense issue within themselves that they have to live with and some times they cant live with it,all the while the crim sits in prison waiting for his release and his placement back into society as he has done his time for his horrendous crime and will now be forgiven by a civilised society,but how long does it take for a civilised society to forget the victim and what do we as a civilised society do for the victim ,they have had counselling so now we expect them to be happy and ok ,and of they go on their merry way knowing that the counselling sessions have giving them their famalies immense help and that the crim who had the audacity to commit the crime has paid society and in particular the victim and the victims family back and now that they have a degree in counselling obtained in prison they can now help the victim overcome any fears they may have....P/S im not having a go at you blondie just our up n down system

[blondie72]

I know you're not having a go at me, G***a...

I'd rather not go into details, but I have personal experience with this issue (rape). So I can certainly be sympathetic from a victims point of view.

But regardless of all the 'failings' of the criminal justice system, and the heinous crime commited- we STILL cannot allow people to KILL somebody who is NO LONGER a threat to them.

That's an extremely slippery slope! It opens the floodgates to all manner of unlawful killings that could easily be validated from an emotional point of view....but are still unacceptable in any kind of structured society.

Our system may not be perfect (far from it), but it's the only one we've got. We need to work within it to make it better. The only other alternative is to allow people to take the law into their own hands, and then (I know i'm repeating myself), we have anarchy, and lynch mobs.

*edited for spelling errors*

[ 11-09-2002, 08:13 AM: Message edited by: blondie72 ]

[kateykakes]

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Originally posted by blondie72:
Our system may not be perfect (far from it), but it's the only one we've got. We need to work within it to make it better. The only other alternative is to allow people to take the law into their own hands, and then (I know i'm repeating myself), we have anarchy, and lynch mobs.

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Blondie,

LTNS...hope you've been well, and the rest of your family too.

I understand what both you and Gaz are saying, but I'm inclined to side with the law. As you said, our systems may not be perfect, but they are the only onces we've got. I'm all for working within the system to make things better.

I can't say I would have done what that woman did because I have never been placed in that type of situation, but I don't think I would have taken things as far as she did. Once the man was unconscious, IMO, she should have called the police and let them handle it from there.

[retired]

g***a,

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Originally posted by g***a:
Still wont agree with you blondie,the criminal justice system sometimes they should leave out justice and have the criminal system,after 17 years in corrections one becomes a bit bewildered at so called hard sentences handed down, i think some Judges need retraining or take a real hard look at Victim Impact statements instead of sleeping at the bench my thought is people just get sick of slack sentencing and easy jail time and think ahhh well save the taxpayer a few dollars,as i say my thought only,Here the victims get bugger all why the Criminal gets ,3 sq meals a day,apaid job in prison can get university degrees free medical and dental,protection from other prisoners,day release the list goes on all the while the victim still has an immense issue within themselves that they have to live with and some times they cant live with it,all the while the crim sits in prison waiting for his release and his placement back into society as he has done his time for his horrendous crime and will now be forgiven by a civilised society,but how long does it take for a civilised society to forget the victim and what do we as a civilised society do for the victim ,they have had counselling so now we expect them to be happy and ok ,and of they go on their merry way knowing that the counselling sessions have giving them their famalies immense help and that the crim who had the audacity to commit the crime has paid society and in particular the victim and the victims family back and now that they have a degree in counselling obtained in prison they can now help the victim overcome any fears they may have....P/S im not having a go at you blondie just our up n down system

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I have to agree with Blondie. If this incident actually happened, he was rendered non-assaultive when he became unconscious. We don't live in a vigilante society where an individual decides what is or what isn't justice.

[Royal Dragon]

But regardless of all the 'failings' of the criminal justice system, and the heinous crime commited- we STILL cannot allow people to KILL somebody who is NO LONGER a threat to them.

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Ok, so lets say this creep was only slghtly stunned, and was capalbe of getting up a few seconds later and RE-becomming a threat??

At 50 even if she managed to run away, a few seconds later he could get up and run her down again. She may very well have been trying to MAKE SURE she has a clear chance at escape.

As a martial artists, I have fought many times in sparring situation during my life. MANY MANY times I have been "stunned" and came to seconds later. This is a reality of knock outs. Most are not complete, and just because an attacker "Looks" unconcious does not mean he is.

A 50 year old woman very well would not have recognised the unconcious state, or could have been doing her best to make sure he stayed that way.

As far a I'm concerned, the guy tried to rape her, and got what he deserved.

[blondie72]

Hi Kaytey

I'm glad you're feeling better...I want to wish you all the best for a speedy recovery! My home situation is fine...albeit a little stressful, at the moment.

I will write you a PM later tonight, I've been meaning to since I saw the thread, re: your relapse. Again, I'm so glad you're doing better.

[blondie72]

Posted by Royal Dragon: "This is a reality of knock outs. Most are not complete, and just because an attacker "Looks" unconcious does not mean he is"

This doesn't change anything. He may be only 'temporarily stunned', he may NOT be. The only way to know for sure, is if he gets up again. If he gets up, deal with it then.

Regardless of how we feel emotionally about rape, we cannot allow that to dictate the law.

Can you imagine what a dangerous precedent that would set? What's to stop people decapitating burglars they have incapacitated, 'just to make sure'? What's to stop people hacking bits off other people who have been rendered helpless...'just in case'!

Once someone is unconscious, it is not acceptable to 'finish them off', with knives, rocks, or whatever.

as I said before, I can certainly empathize with the victim. However, I'm certainly glad I don't live in a society where individuals are permitted to to exact their own 'justice'. It is not up to the individual whether an unconscious person lives or dies.