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  • #46
    A cautionary tale from Ulster County New York.

    Sovereign Citizens group terrorizes small-town officials with fake liens

    Published: Monday, May 23, 2011, 7:40 AM Updated: Monday, May 23, 2011, 8:25 AM


    When police officer Anthony Kalimeras went to kick squatters Ed-George Parenteau and Jeffrey Charles Burfeindt out of a foreclosed home in Ulster County March 4, 2009, he thought they were run-of-the-mill nuts.

    They had a fake deed and homemade identification. They gave only their first and middle names — Edward George and Jeffrey Charles. And they gave birthdates of 11/28/5958 and 2/16/5964. He arrested them for trespassing and false personation.

    Kalimeras remembers that they kept saying: You wouldn’t understand.

    He didn’t.

    Until months later, when the two men filed liens against Kalimeras; his employer, the town of Lloyd; and more than a dozen other municipalities and individuals for $135 billion.

    The two men filed fake papers in real places — the New York Department of State, Washington state and Ulster County. The people involved in their arrests were inundated with reams of nonsensical documents like maritime liens and judgment demands for millions of dollars.

    Parenteau, from the Chenango County town of Sherburne, and Burfeindt are part of a loosely knit national movement called Sovereign Citizens. Followers think the laws of the U.S. don’t apply to them. They don’t have drivers licenses or pay taxes.

    The two men were working with another Sovereign Citizen named Richard Ulloa. All three became the subject of an FBI terrorism task force investigation and federal criminal charges.

    Parenteau and Burfeindt have pleaded guilty in federal court; Parenteau was sentenced to 21 months in prison May 13. Burfeindt and Ulloa, who was convicted in a jury trial, have not been sentenced.

    Court papers, liens and interviews show a scheme to destroy the lives of ordinary small-town people enforcing the law. Some of the people targeted in the paperwork attack are so frightened for their lives that they now carry guns. Victims could be anyone who came into contact with the men: patrol officers, a prosecutor, town justices and even clerks.

    Though the multibillion-dollar liens are bogus, they were accepted by the New York Department of State and other state governments. A lien is a record of an unpaid debt filed against a person or business. The duo didn’t have to prove the debts were real; filing paperwork was enough.

    Then the liens appeared on the credit reports of the people and towns terrorized. And it takes months of hard work, and money, to get the liens removed.

    Parenteau said during his sentencing that he learned how to file the liens through a seminar given by James Timothy Turner, a guru in the Sovereign Citizens movement who charges money to teach people how to thwart the government through malicious paperwork.

    In a YouTube video of one of his presentations, Turner wears a jacket but no tie. At first, he sounds like a friendly Southern guy fed up with government and the economy. Then he explains how the current government is really a corporation, and by being citizens, we have all participated in the sham. We have let the government steal from us. We have been begging for permission when the land, the money and the laws are ours, he says.

    “I’m going to show you how to get it back,” Turner says. He mentions how he’s been called a terrorist by Janet Napolitano, director of homeland security.

    “We are terrorists because we believe in this country, not the corporation,” he says.

    A violent streak

    They are considered terrorists because their paperwork wars can escalate to violence.

    Mark Pitcavage, an investigator with the Anti-Defamation League, a national civil rights agency, has studied the Sovereign Citizen movement for years. Law enforcement actions that threaten their beliefs can lead to gunfire, Pitcavage said. Things like traffic stops and child protective visits can end up battlegrounds because Sovereign Citizens don’t believe those laws apply to them.

    Pitcavage said the movement has been growing over the past two years. The anti-government ideals appeal to the far right and people who are struggling financially. Some of the Turner’s seminars focus on telling people how to get out of foreclosure.

    There have been Sovereign Citizens in Upstate New York for decades, Pitcavage said, and it’s safe to assume that they are in every county.

    West Memphis, Ark., police Chief Bob Paudert had never heard of Sovereign Citizens before May 20, 2010.

    That’s when Jerry Kane was pulled over on the highway. When the officers checked his registration, they found his car was registered to the “Kingdom of Heaven.” Kane became belligerent. Then his 16-year-old son jumped out of the car and began firing an AK-47 rifle, said Bob Paudert, the police chief there.

    The teen pumped 14 bullets into Brandon Paudert, 39, the chief’s son. And 16 bullets into his fellow officer, Bill Evans. Paudert arrived on the scene to find his son dead on the road.

    Kane and his son were later killed in a shootout with police in a Wal-Mart parking lot.

    Ridiculous claims

    The Sovereign Citizens in Ulster County used a different kind of warfare.

    When odd papers started coming into Ulster County, demanding millions in debts, Ulster County Attorney Beatrice Havranek didn’t think much. “At first blush, I thought this is ridiculous,” Havranek said.

    The first papers were from Ulloa, whose problems started with two traffic tickets. After he was ticketed, he filed phony judgment demands with accusations against the court, officers and municipalities, asking for money damages for being detained. It’s a common practice of the Sovereign Citizens. Parenteau and Burfeindt did the same thing.

    At first, no one paid attention. But when those papers went unanswered, the defendants filed bogus liens in legitimate places. They named the towns, the county and individuals. The first was filed in Washington state, just to make it harder to fight. More were filed in New York. One lien, filed by Parenteau, demanded billions in silver.

    The lawyer for the governments’ insurance company, John Bailey of Albany, filed a federal racketeering lawsuit against Parenteau, Burfeindt and Ulloa in March 2010, accusing them of extortion through the bogus liens. The FBI and U.S. attorney’s office then pursued a criminal case.

    Intimidation by paperwork

    Bailey said some of the town employees involved in the suit were so shaken by what happened, and what they learned about the Sovereign Citizen movement, that they wondered whether they should quit their jobs and move out of the area.

    Kalimeras, the Lloyd police officer who arrested Parenteau and was named in the multibillion-dollar lien, said the town is now paying to have his credit monitored, along with the others caught in the Sovereigns’ paper spree. Every time he makes a major purchase — like when he bought some furniture recently — his credit card company calls to make sure it’s really him.

    Havranek, the Ulster County attorney, said she now gets filings from other Sovereign Citizens from time to time. Ulster County is now on their radar.

    The county doesn’t plan to cower.

    “We’re not just going to ignore them. We’re prepared,” she said.

    Paudert wants to make sure the rest of the country is prepared for the Sovereign Citizens. The police chief is avenging his son’s death by becoming an expert on the movement. He travels the country warning other law enforcement officers to know what to look for. And to warn them that, with these people, the run-of-the-mill traffic stop can turn deadly without any warning.

    “They’re gone,” Paudert said of his son and the other officer who were gunned down. “But it’s not too late to save others.”

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    • #47
      Originally posted by jannino View Post
      Got any pics??
      Perv.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by jjmacnab View Post
        Oh good grief. If you'd actually read my bio and website, or seen the 60 Minutes piece, you'd have known I'm a female.
        The website referenced above (jjmac.net) has no gender identity.
        Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

        My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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        • #49
          I read the SPLC newsletter article. It was infomative.
          For the cops out there: You are an adult. If you want to write someone, write them. If you don't want to write someone, then don't write them.

          "Jeff, you are the best cop on this board"-Anonymous Post

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          • #50
            Originally posted by jjmacnab View Post
            Oh good grief. If you'd actually read my bio and website, or seen the 60 Minutes piece, you'd have known I'm a female.

            Just saying...
            No, I read your blogs. Bio and TV apperances don't mean a whole lot if the work is lack luster. Gender is certainly irrelevant.

            To be clear, I am not saying that you don't have good research or worthy arguments. I am saying that I have no way to evaluate your conclusions if I do not see your source material. Without references, data, or support I don't care if it is the most rigerous logic, I can't accept it.

            If it's of interest, I am a historian so that is the point of view I use to evaluate most research.

            In general, I find jounalists and their profession to have much lower standards for their "research" than I am willing accept. I understand that you are not a journalist, but stating the fact that journalists use you as a source does not carry a lot of weight with me, given my opinion of journalists.

            The SPLC article could completely change my opinion, but I can't read it.
            Last edited by Unistat; 06-07-2011, 11:43 AM.
            There are basically two kinds of people in this world. Those that believe in the moon landing and those that don't.
            http://unistat76.blogspot.com/

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Unistat View Post
              Without references, data, or support I don't care if it is the most rigerous logic, I can't accept it.
              Dang. Your acceptance means the world to me.

              The SPLC article could completely change my opinion, but I can't read it.
              The link to the article is prominently displayed on both my website bio and on the first post of this thread. I'm sorry you can't find it.
              Last edited by jjmacnab; 06-07-2011, 12:01 PM.

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              • #52
                For those of you in law enforcement who would like to keep up on sovereign stories and evolving issues, I run a frauds and scams forum at Quatloos.com. The following is a direct link to the Sovereign Citizen subforum. The information is free, and most of the people who post there are attorneys, federal employees, prosecutors, accountants, and the like.

                I post as Demosthenes.

                http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewforum.php?f=37

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by jjmacnab View Post
                  Dang. Your acceptance means the world to me.
                  lol!

                  The link to the article is prominently displayed on both my website bio and on the first post of this thread. I'm sorry you can't find it.
                  Thanks, I was clicking on the picture of the article and completely overlooked the link in the text. It was an interesting, well written article.

                  I know you don't care and at the risk of beating a dead horse, all of the information presented in the article was simply stated and completely un-sourced. Do you come about the details of the Sovereign Citizens movement through interviews with them? Was it research into their court filings and documents? Did you base your article off of the research of another person or institution? Do you see my point? How can I rely on your information?

                  I'm just very skeptical of facts presented with no sourcing. When I agree with those facts I'm even more careful. I try very hard to avoid confirmation bias.
                  Last edited by Unistat; 06-07-2011, 01:49 PM.
                  There are basically two kinds of people in this world. Those that believe in the moon landing and those that don't.
                  http://unistat76.blogspot.com/

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                  • #54
                    I've spent more than ten years monitoring and infiltrating the movement. My hard drive has approximately 20 GB of emails, news clippings, screen grabs, court filings, notes from interviews, and transcripts. I've attended 15 criminal trials, maintain more than a dozen online sovereign identities, and have spent roughly 5,000 hours over the last ten years working with the JTTF, IRS CID, FBI, TIGTA, DOJ, US Marshals, the US Senate, the US House of Representatives, and local law enforcement agencies as a consultant in their investigations and in training.

                    I haven't been paid a penny for any of that time, other than some really lovely challenge coins and spiffy looking logo mugs.

                    I also have had my share of explicit threats.

                    The goal of the SPLC article was simple: fit in as much practical information as possible for front-line officers to use to identify potentially dangerous extremists. Officers don't have time to read thousands of footnotes or endnotes, and the Intelligence Report is not a professional trade publication or scholarly magazine. My goal was simply to get as much out in 7,500 words as I could, as fast as I could, after sovereigns Jerry and Joseph Kane shot four police officers in May 2010.

                    The only part of the work that relied on another person or institution is historical data -- stuff that pre-dates my involvement starting in the late 1990s. The rest is original work. The article went through roughly three weeks of rigorous fact checking by the Southern Poverty Law Center, with most of the focus being on the 10 Sovereign Leader profiles.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by jjmacnab View Post
                      I've spent more than ten years monitoring and infiltrating the movement. My hard drive has approximately 20 GB of emails, news clippings, screen grabs, court filings, notes from interviews, and transcripts. I've attended 15 criminal trials, maintain more than a dozen online sovereign identities, and have spent roughly 5,000 hours over the last ten years working with the JTTF, IRS CID, FBI, TIGTA, DOJ, US Marshals, the US Senate, the US House of Representatives, and local law enforcement agencies as a consultant in their investigations and in training.

                      I haven't been paid a penny for any of that time, other than some really lovely challenge coins and spiffy looking logo mugs.

                      I also have had my share of explicit threats.

                      The goal of the SPLC article was simple: fit in as much practical information as possible for front-line officers to use to identify potentially dangerous extremists. Officers don't have time to read thousands of footnotes or endnotes, and the Intelligence Report is not a professional trade publication or scholarly magazine. My goal was simply to get as much out in 7,500 words as I could, as fast as I could, after sovereigns Jerry and Joseph Kane shot four police officers in May 2010.

                      The only part of the work that relied on another person or institution is historical data -- stuff that pre-dates my involvement starting in the late 1990s. The rest is original work. The article went through roughly three weeks of rigorous fact checking by the Southern Poverty Law Center, with most of the focus being on the 10 Sovereign Leader profiles.
                      Thank you.
                      There are basically two kinds of people in this world. Those that believe in the moon landing and those that don't.
                      http://unistat76.blogspot.com/

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Fëanor View Post
                        Wow you sure are an unhelpful bunch. Boo hoo, authors ask for willing participants to come forward with information and you never hear back from them. What were you expecting, them to come back and post a voucher for a free copy of their book?

                        Think about when you respond to a call; you show up with very little information and ask a bystander what they saw. How would you feel if they responded "We don't assist police officers around here"?

                        No one is obligated to help but I don't think he's asking for the world here...
                        Never wanted nor expected anything, just would like to have known the name of the book so I could buy a copy. Just to see how the information was used in it. Not a lot to ask for when others get paid for same or at least referenced / acknowledged in other books.

                        Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post
                        I am not at work getting paid ------I am sitting on my couch with a cup of coffee. My house----my rules.
                        Originally posted by mavriktu View Post
                        I made the mistake ONCE of attempting to help an author.He was a British fellow,having never left the isle,,writing a crime novel which takes place in New Orleans,which I am vaguely familiar with having been born,raised and currently live less than 60 miles from.He wanted info on street names in a certain area,I told him,he didnt like that so he moved the streets The final straw was when he asked about cajun accents,I explained that the major accent in Nawlins is more of a bronx type and VERY few people have a cajun accent there.He told me I was nuts and didn't know what I was talking about.
                        +1

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by jjmacnab View Post
                          I've spent more than ten years monitoring and infiltrating the movement. My hard drive has approximately 20 GB of emails, news clippings, screen grabs, court filings, notes from interviews, and transcripts. I've attended 15 criminal trials, maintain more than a dozen online sovereign identities, and have spent roughly 5,000 hours over the last ten years working with the JTTF, IRS CID, FBI, TIGTA, DOJ, US Marshals, the US Senate, the US House of Representatives, and local law enforcement agencies as a consultant in their investigations and in training.

                          I haven't been paid a penny for any of that time, other than some really lovely challenge coins and spiffy looking logo mugs.

                          I also have had my share of explicit threats.

                          The goal of the SPLC article was simple: fit in as much practical information as possible for front-line officers to use to identify potentially dangerous extremists. Officers don't have time to read thousands of footnotes or endnotes, and the Intelligence Report is not a professional trade publication or scholarly magazine. My goal was simply to get as much out in 7,500 words as I could, as fast as I could, after sovereigns Jerry and Joseph Kane shot four police officers in May 2010.

                          The only part of the work that relied on another person or institution is historical data -- stuff that pre-dates my involvement starting in the late 1990s. The rest is original work. The article went through roughly three weeks of rigorous fact checking by the Southern Poverty Law Center, with most of the focus being on the 10 Sovereign Leader profiles.
                          Very impressive! Wow and for no compensation.




                          World_So_Cold

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by westside popo View Post
                            Never wanted nor expected anything, just would like to have known the name of the book so I could buy a copy. Just to see how the information was used in it. Not a lot to ask for when others get paid for same or at least referenced / acknowledged in other books.
                            I don't know the situation of the authors you assisted, but the vast majority of novels that are written every year never, ever get published. Unless a writer is a big name, he has to finish and edit the entire book on his own dime before he can pitch it to agents and publishers. After that, odds are microscopic that an agent will bite and a publisher will buy. Fiction writing is brutal stuff.

                            With non-fiction, it's the opposite; a book is generally sold based on a book proposal, and is only written after it's sold to the publisher.

                            Realistically, the writers haven't ignored you, they just haven't had a published book title to send you.

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                            • #59
                              I have never been a fan of the Southern Poverty Law Center magazine. It seems as though if someone has a religious opinion or a varying opinion they are labeled as rogue. I get the impression, from articles and quotes in the magazine, that they want a bunch of apathetic robots. From what I have read they have bashed numerous decent people for their opinions. I am not talking about the white supremacy gangs or sovereign citizens or even the militia. They strike me as a bunch of uneducated idiots.

                              I am talking about decent hardworking people. The magazine has lost my attention due to some of its stances. A good number of my fellow co-workers feel the same.
                              Prov 17:17 A friend loveth at all times, and a brother is born for adversity.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by jjmacnab View Post
                                I don't know the situation of the authors you assisted, but the vast majority of novels that are written every year never, ever get published. Unless a writer is a big name, he has to finish and edit the entire book on his own dime before he can pitch it to agents and publishers. After that, odds are microscopic that an agent will bite and a publisher will buy. Fiction writing is brutal stuff.

                                With non-fiction, it's the opposite; a book is generally sold based on a book proposal, and is only written after it's sold to the publisher.

                                Realistically, the writers haven't ignored you, they just haven't had a published book title to send you.
                                I disagree. It's like one on here wanted to know common police forms we use. I listed some on the thread then got a PM from that OP wanting to know more about the forms and what they were informally called by LEOs in GA. I answered what I could then asked about the scenario she was writing about so I could better suggest the forms that would have been completed in that kind of scenario. For example an after hours business burglary involving a street gang or something along those lines. Up until that point the PMs were steady... then they stopped. Never heard anything since. Not even a thank you!
                                I understand that not all books are published and them not wanting to discuss details about the novel they were working on. Anyways, like pujolsfan stated, I don't care for the SPLC for some of the same reasons. Besides I wouldn't have any thing to offer in regards to sovereign idiots except for the alleged sovereign idiot(s) who have posted on this forum.

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