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  • 247 People on Terror Watch List Bought Guns in 2010

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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/28...buy-guns-2010/


    247 People on Terror Watch List Bought Guns in 2010

    Published April 28, 2011 | Associated Press

    WASHINGTON – More than 200 people suspected of ties to terrorism bought guns in the U.S. last year legally, FBI figures show.

    The 247 people who were allowed to buy weapons did so after going through required background checks as required by federal law.

    It is not illegal for people listed on the government's terror watch list to buy weapons. For years, that has bothered Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., who is trying again to change the law to keep weapons out of the hands of terrorists.

    The secret, fluid nature of the terror watch list has made closing what Lautenberg calls a "terror gap" in the nation's gun laws a challenge. About the same number of people suspected of ties to terrorism also successfully purchased guns in the U.S. in 2009. The FBI provided the new numbers to the Government Accountability Office, Congress' investigative arm, and the figures were obtained by The Associated Press.

    The government can only prevent people from buying guns for any of 11 reasons. Convicted felons and illegal immigrants, for example, cannot buy weapons. But the terrorist watch list is different. People become convicted felons only after a court process and an opportunity to defend themselves. The watch list is secret and generated at the government's discretion. It is not a list of people convicted of terrorism crimes.

    The list of about 450,000 people includes suspected members of al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations, terror financiers, terror recruiters and people who attended training camps. People's names are added to and removed from the watch list every day, and most people never know whether they're on it.

    Lautenberg and two dozen other members of Congress want the attorney general to have the authority to prevent someone on the terror watch list from buying a gun if the attorney general believes that person will use it in a terrorist act. The Justice Department under both the Bush and Obama administrations has supported this effort.

    "This is a homeland security issue, not a gun issue, and there's no reason we shouldn't be able to stop a terrorist from buying a dangerous weapon in the United States," Lautenberg told the AP.

    Between February 2004 and December 2010, 1,453 people on the terror watch list have attempted to buy firearms or explosives. Of those, 90 percent of the people were allowed to go through with their purchases. There is no public information about anyone on the watch list who was allowed to buy a firearm using it in a crime.

    The National Rifle Association, which wields significant political influence in Washington, is opposed to a law that would give the attorney general the authority to deny someone on the watch list the ability to buy a firearm. NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said the watch list lacks integrity and includes law-abiding citizens who are mistaken as having ties to terrorists.

    "We think it's wrong to arbitrarily deny a law-abiding person a constitutional right," he said. Further, he said, the NRA does not think a political appointee, such as the attorney general, should have the discretionary authority to decide that someone on the watch list is so dangerous that he should not be allowed to buy a gun. Arulanandam said if a terrorist is legitimately on the watch list, that person should be arrested, prosecuted and punished.

    President Barack Obama has steered clear of politically sensitive gun-control issues. But the Justice Department would support a bill that would help prevent terrorists from getting firearms.

    "The department is committed to doing everything within its power to keep firearms out of the hands of persons who may intend to use those weapons to commit terrorist acts," Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said. "To the extent Congress wishes to provide the department with additional tools that would improve the status quo, we remain committed to working with them to achieve that goal."

    Every time someone tries to buy a gun in the U.S., the background checks include the terror watch list. When there is a match, the information is shared with the FBI case agent who is leading the terrorism investigation, according to a counterterrorism official who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the process.

    To deny all people on the watch list from purchasing a weapon would mean the government would have to tell someone he or she is on the list. A person who knows he is on a watch list could change his behavior or even his identity to avoid detection, the official said.
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    Big surprise that Lautenburg is pushing this.

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    • #3
      Of those 450,000 on the list, how many really do not belong there ? Being on the the list is not a conviction of any crime, was Major Hassan on the list ?

      How American is a extra double secret probation list that strips your second amendment rights ?

      Bill
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      • #4
        Especially because there is no statutory criteria to be placed on the list. Will I be placed on the list because I have a "Don't Tread on Me" bumper sticker, frequent survivalist forums, own several guns, and attend an evengelical church?


        BTW, one of the above is untrue.
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        • #5
          Keep weapons out of the hands of terrorists, huh? we gonna nuke syria, iran, NK.....? Oh no, we'll shaft the American lemmings...that'll stop terrorism!
          Originally posted by crass cop
          Just do it in front of a camera and try not to get a boner and you shoudl be fine.

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          • #6
            Guns, once again, become the point. Not the suspects. How many times do we have to tell folks it isn't the guns we need to focus on - it's the people.

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            • #7
              "This is a homeland security issue, not a gun issue, and there's no reason we shouldn't be able to stop a terrorist from buying a dangerous weapon in the United States," Lautenberg told the AP.

              I don't disagree with Lautenberg on this point, but what he fails to understand is that none of these people are confirmed as being terrorists, they've simply been placed on a "watch list" using criteria that isn't even known by the public. They haven't been convicted of a crime, haven't been charged with a crime, haven't been accused of a crime (subject to arrest) and as far was we (the public) knows, anyone can be placed on the list for any reason. If Lautenberg really believed in keeping terrorists from buying weapons, he'd be calling for their arrest, conviction and imprisonment.
              "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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              • #8
                Do you get a letter saying you're on it? Just like a bill in the mail? Do you get a visit from someone with a shiny badge?

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                • #9
                  No. That's why it's called a WATCH LIST.
                  Free Deke O'Mally!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Unistat View Post
                    Especially because there is no statutory criteria to be placed on the list. Will I be placed on the list because I have a "Don't Tread on Me" bumper sticker, frequent survivalist forums, own several guns, and attend an evengelical church?


                    BTW, one of the above is untrue.
                    You will be now.

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                    • #11
                      Suspicion is not a conviction. Enough said.
                      "You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall... I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by westside popo View Post
                        You will be now.
                        Curses! You do gooder cops have tricked me into revealing my secrets again!
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                        • #13
                          The only problem with not allowing people who are put on the terrorism watch list to purchase weapons is that sometimes people are put on the list that shouldn't be. I think they need to refine how they decide who gets put on the list.
                          "I'm sorry, did you see my care face? Because I'm pretty sure I didn't show it to you becuase I DON'T care. Have a nice day. "

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                            Guns, once again, become the point. Not the suspects. How many times do we have to tell folks it isn't the guns we need to focus on - it's the people.

                            A broken record
                            Exactly, "guns don't kill people, people kill people." If people suddenly started killing eachother with ink pens will we suddenly start banning ink pens?
                            "I'm sorry, did you see my care face? Because I'm pretty sure I didn't show it to you becuase I DON'T care. Have a nice day. "

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