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  • #91
    Originally posted by Gunner.K19 View Post
    Yes, and if you'll notice, I never said anything about a sworn Police Officer taking charge, I asked why one of the "Adults" already present didn't...

    LEO's have better things to attend to than a belligerent schoolchild; If the parents had brought the child up better, this whole incident would have been a non-issue...

    But, I do thank you for at least calling MISTER Security guard...
    Many police departments have for quite some time employed SRO (Student Resource Officers) who's job it is to work in the schools. In larger cities there are entire divisions dedicated to being "school cops". In fact there are some DEPARTMENTS that are School District Police in some states.

    And it is the job of all police officers to protect the citizens of the jurisdiction--------------the teachers at the school are part of that jurisdiction. Police are called to schools all the time to handle problems

    Most teachers are taught not to go hands on with students--------they are instructed to call the police.
    Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

    My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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    • #92
      Originally posted by LaPlaca View Post
      was my first thought as well. funny how everyone needs a class on how to parent her brat except her....
      +1 Brilliant!
      Pete Malloy, "The only thing black and white about this job is the car."

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      • #93
        Originally posted by ryker View Post
        http://www.fldoe.org/ARM/files/Teacher_Pay_Review.pdf

        In Fla there are over 15 different ways. See page 37.
        Base pay, bonus pay, extra pay and headcount pay. Can range to
        An extra 10k per teacher in Fla. See page 36 for the amounts.
        It is true, some teachers have access to extra pay. Most don't. Again, "often" is a stretch.

        P. 35 of the report you reference is particularly interesting. I wonder what the bias is of whoever wrote it. For example, teacher daily pay is calculated at 196 days per year. The annual salary, divided by the number of days worked, makes for an average daily rate. Naturally, the lower the number of days worked the higher the daily rate. So, teacher pay is calculated in this report as 365 days per year minus weekends minus holidays/vacations = 196 days of work per year. On the other hand, the occupations that are compared to teachers assume 260 days per year worked. That's 52 - 5 day work weeks per year = 260 days. As most, if not all, employees take time off during the year, they don't work 260 days. In other words, the average daily salary of teacher jobs is calculated with time off subtracted out, but the report doesn't subtract out time off for calculating salaries of non-teacher jobs. This has the logical effect of over-stating a teacher's daily wage while under-stating the non-teacher's wage. I wonder why they did it that way...

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        • #94
          I think the real problem here is the folks the media gives coverage to. Why are they always the ones who are looking for something to be wrong someones actions? It's because the only way they know to get ratings is to start drama.

          If the kid was successful at hurting someone, these same people would be screaming "why didn't the police OC him?" My simple answer is the people complaining bout this are the ones referred to in the old "you can't please everyone".
          Come to think of it, they're probably the same folks that happen to know a friend of a friend that was wronged by a police officer but can't expand upon it in detail conveniently. I get those every now and then when I bring up law enforcement with people...
          --In serving the wicked, expect no reward, and be thankful if you escape injury for your pains.

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          • #95
            Maybe the school should've called Barney. He doesn't use o.c.

            A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying... that he is wiser today than yesterday. Jonathan Swift 1667-1745

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            • #96
              First of all I'd say let the little sh*t ride the lightning and see if it straightens him out. If I walked up and my kid had been pepper sprayed by a police officer because he had been threatening his teachers and LEOs with a weapon (that is the operative word here, WEAPON), my child would miss the OC before I was done with him. What happened to the days of the good old American father-son ***-whooping? This brat probably doesn't act out at home cuz he probably runs the place already. From what it sounds like, mommy is only making a big deal over this because she can get on the news. She was all supportive of the LEOs until the lil light bulb went off "Holy sh*t I can be on national television!!!!"

              Oh and +1 to whoever said it's funny how she thinks everyone else needs a class on how to raise her child except for her.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Redders View Post
                But some one educated by the school system you pay taxes to will never provide you a service at some point?
                Not equal to what I pay in taxes. Then chances are I will pay that person for his work performed. School budgets are highly bloated! Period.

                Yes, an educated society is for the good of all. Yes, I don't mind paying a small amount. I just disagree with how much I must pay based in my home value.

                As if I will benifit more from the education system when I build a garage and thus be required to pay more in taxes! Will this kid in this story after 6 more years of education (taxes), before he drops out, wash my car for free? Will he wash it better becuase I have a 500k home or wash it terrible becuase I only have a 50k trailer. Society will have benifited near noting from the massive amount of money spent to educate this kid.

                Taxation does not equal fair representation or return. Period!
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                • #98
                  Not even close to the same. As I could use the county roads if I wanted
                  My wife and I will never have kids. and for damn sure don't like paying for kids like this!
                  Could choose to utilize the service, but do not.

                  Sounds exactly the same to me. Except that an educated youth is vital to the health of the nation.

                  If your qualm is with how the money is spent, that’s a different argument. I have a lot of issues with how education dollars are spent. None of those issues are with the salaries of teachers, however.

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                  • #99
                    Three to one. School taxes are $750 a year.
                    Last edited by ryker; 03-29-2012, 09:39 AM.
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                    • [QUOTE=ryker;2713647
                      Again I don't mind teachers getting paid well- just question why childless homes must pay for it![/QUOTE]


                      I'd rather pay for education which in the end will benefit all of us in some way then for jails to house the uneducated. I assume you were a product of private school? If not thousands paid for your public sports and education.
                      Teachers aren't paid in the summer months and many go work summer jobs. I have not seen teachers ever be compensated for the time spent grading papers after school, buying supplies, and putting in extra hours. Yet I see cops in LA sue for that 15 minute period of putting on their required gear. Give me a break.
                      Its funny seeing cops complain about teachers or other professions being paid or getting benefits.
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                      • Originally posted by ryker View Post
                        Taxation does not equal fair representation or return. Period!
                        So essentially you have then decided to run for the school board correct? I mean if you feel the school district is what the problem is then you should do something to change that. Obviously education starts at the school district not at home right?

                        Since you are talking about property taxes does that mean that only property owners with children in school should pay the taxes for the school? If so that's a bit ridiculous, since, how should I say it, many of the "disadvantaged" of our society that like to have 10 kids and prefer to live in a rented trailer then wouldn't provide anything to support the school system.
                        Sometimes, doing the right thing means p***ing off the bosses.

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                        Originally posted by dontknowwhy
                        I still think troopers and deputies who work in the middle of no where with essentially no back up are the 'men among men' of the LEO world.
                        Originally posted by weinerdog2000
                        as far as your social experiment, if we cant film you then you cant film us, we will arrest you for obstruction of our freedom.

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                        • Is there any first world country that does not have some form of publicly funded primary education, I don’t think so…

                          Since the nation needs massive numbers of educated people to run a modern nation state and its economy, it’s in the national interest. The problem is not teachers being paid too much (as many first world countries pay better), it’s that our system sucks, it cost more to operate with a lower return on the investment. (Luxembourg, Switzerland, Germany, Korea and Japan have the highest paid teachers).
                          Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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                          • Originally posted by ryker View Post
                            ... I don't mind teachers earning a living. But the schools have hand free reign to keep increasing budgets without increasing output. New buses, new trucks, new this, new that... Yet kids drop out, fail out, amd scores across the board are lower...
                            Ryker, I get that you're frustrated. No one likes paying taxes. However, I think your frustration is misguided. By the way, $750 in property taxes is cheap compared to where I live. I pay 5 times that. It's all a matter of perspective.

                            1- schools are often required by safety standards to spend money on new buses, trucks, etc.
                            2- public schools are required to spend money to comply with existing federal laws related to "public institutions" (see, for example, Section 504 of the Vocational Rehabilitation Act, or the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act). Private schools don't have to spend money on these things.
                            3- Education starts in the home. You can blame the school, but the fact is that kids only spend 1080 hrs/year in class. There are 8760 hrs/calendar year. This means, kids spend ~ 12.3% of their time in class. What happens outside of school is more important to learning than what happens in school. Perhaps a decline in output is related to a decline in parenting skills. The parent in the story at the start of this thread is a great example. Believe it or not, research shows it all starts with good sleep and solid nutrition. How many times have you responded to a DV call on a school night where the kids are up watching TV at 0200 hrs?

                            If you want to complain about taxes, you shouldn't forget the Federal Excise Tax. It was enacted in the 1890s to fund the Spanish-American war. The war ended, but we still pay the tax...
                            Last edited by hopperja; 04-12-2011, 01:53 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by hopperja View Post
                              Ryker, I get that you're frustrated. No one likes paying taxes. However, I think your frustration is misguided. By the way, $750 in property taxes is cheap compared to where I live. I pay 5 times that. It's all a matter of perspective.
                              While I don't agree with everything he says I do think he has a point. Education gets an obscene amount of our money. My house is under 1,000 sf and $750 doesn't cover my annual fee to the education institution. Multiplying that out to all of the residences in the county and state is a tidy sum indeed.

                              Justifying with increasing requirements id circular logic. I am paying to feed people's kids that live way beyond my means. That is not right, not matter what the federal or state regulations dictate.

                              I can't believe that it costs that much for a decent education, somehow we managed with less with better results before. Money isn't the problem, nor is it the solution.

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                              • My older sister is a middle school teacher, so all of this talk about teachers being overpaid and griping about school taxes being too high, at least in my state, is a bunch of crap. There is no way that I would do that job for what she gets paid. It's a disgrace that the people that are teaching the future of our country are living paycheck to paycheck and then praying that their employment contract gets renewed at the end of the school year with a major factor being the success of their students being judged solely on their performance on a few days of standardized tests. The ability to "teach the test" is more important these days than being a GOOD teacher. If you don't like paying high education taxes on your house/property, then move somewhere else. Your kids may grow up to become the best damn french fry cook McDonald's has ever seen. Otherwise, bite the bullet, pay the taxes, and enjoy the knowledge that your community is fostering a new, better future for our country.

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