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  • oneoldcop
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    Originally posted by jcioccke View Post
    ^^^^

    What did you do??? LOL

    I never made it to the priest..
    That, is privileged information...

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  • jannino
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    Originally posted by ryker View Post
    Again very little taxation is used for law enforcement compared
    to the massive budgets of the schools. But even then I agree
    With you amd don't like paying taxes for crooks to be jailed
    In an air conditioned, cable tv, and free meds.

    Law enforcement serves the community 24/7/365 to a
    Degree that the community desires from the elected official. At anytime I can call for a
    Vacation house watch, accident report, welfare check, vin check, home invasion... At no time will my wife and I ever have kids that need a public education and then I'd suck up the expense and pay for private school.
    Not all departments will do those things. Some counties won't even send an officer for property crimes. And if you don't have the money for private school? Are you going to not educate your kid? What good would he be to society down the road?

    Missing the point- I said I don't mind paying some amount. But I refuse to accept the current poor performing system (not blaming teachers). If parents want me to pay for their kids education then they need to at least make the show up to school and half way pay attention. As in this topic matter- mom uses public funded school as free daycare. This kid is highly unlikely to ever become a doctor or anything benifial to society. This child will simply ride a chair in a public funded school for 6-10 more years until he drops out, gets expelled, and/or gets locked up.

    What's the drop out rate? What's the testing scores compared to other nations?
    We can't make the kid suffer because of crappy parents. It's not their fault and they have no control over what kind of person their parent is. That's another reason why having quality teachers is important so that these kids do stand a fighting chance of being successful. You are right though... it makes it 100x more difficult if the parents don't care. Parents being involved in their kid's education and having good school systems seem to go hand in hand to me. I doubt you will see one without the other.

    Parents need to be involved. They should attend school events and meetings. They should follow up on their kid. And they should be held accountable for their lack of action. It has to be hard to stay motivated as a teacher when you see a large number of kids and their parents unconcerned about their schooling. Another reason why we have to make sure we have quality teachers.

    We don't need to compare our stats with other nations. We can do the same with crime also. Does that mean we need to disband police forces?

    I don't mind paying taxes. I just want to get what I pay for. I am tired of paying taxes just to keep the government running or support other nations. I want to see quality schools, good roads, well trained public safety personnel, efficient government, nice parks, military superiority.....

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  • Bounce
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    bottom line is to look at how much of the school tax collection actually gets past the administrative overhead and down to the classroom (including teachers' salaries).

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  • ryker
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    Again very little taxation is used for law enforcement compared
    to the massive budgets of the schools. But even then I agree
    With you amd don't like paying taxes for crooks to be jailed
    In an air conditioned, cable tv, and free meds.

    Law enforcement serves the community 24/7/365 to a
    Degree that the community desires from the elected official. At anytime I can call for a
    Vacation house watch, accident report, welfare check, vin check, home invasion... At no time will my wife and I ever have kids that need a public education and then I'd suck up the expense and pay for private school.

    Missing the point- I said I don't mind paying some amount. But I refuse to accept the current poor performing system (not blaming teachers). If parents want me to pay for their kids education then they need to at least make the show up to school and half way pay attention. As in this topic matter- mom uses public funded school as free daycare. This kid is highly unlikely to ever become a doctor or anything benifial to society. This child will simply ride a chair in a public funded school for 6-10 more years until he drops out, gets expelled, and/or gets locked up.

    What's the drop out rate? What's the testing scores compared to other nations?

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  • jeffIL
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    Originally posted by ryker View Post
    I don't mind teachers making good money. Just question why I have to pay taxes for your kids. Review your local county budgets and you'll see the largest source of taxation is for the bloated school budget. I don't mind paying some amount for an effective school system. But I darn sure don't agree with funding what amounts to 10yrs of public daycare untill that student drops out or gets kicked out.
    For the same reason people who have never called the police pay for your salary and benefits. Or roads...or anything else that society as a whole needs.

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  • ryker
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    I don't mind teachers making good money. Just question why I have to pay taxes for your kids. Review your local county budgets and you'll see the largest source of taxation is for the bloated school budget. I don't mind paying some amount for an effective school system. But I darn sure don't agree with funding what amounts to 10yrs of public daycare untill that student drops out or gets kicked out.

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  • JasperST
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    Originally posted by willowdared View Post
    Funny, I put 40k at just over 3k a month. And that's after 12 years. That's about $13 an hour, if teachers only worked a 40 hour work week.
    They don't work 12 months out of the year.
    The average income for most people with a bachelor's is 55k...master's is 75k
    A BA degree isn't exactly uncommon but even so, they should know the salary before they look for the job. You also need to figure in a few months of earnings for an comparable annual salary. Most teachers I know went for it because they could enjoy summers off. Others have summer jobs.

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  • jannino
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    If teachers are making more than police and fire somewhere, I say raise the public safety pay not lower the teacher pay. In an area that officers are paid more should we cut their benefits to be equal with other public employees or should we be happy for them?

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  • jannino
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    Originally posted by JasperST View Post
    Are you saying that it's because of the schools? I believe that it's the value system of the local community, schools being a reflection of their value system. Teachers are very important but they get put on pedestals a bit too much. Here, they regularly strike illegally a week before school starts, putting pressure on parents who have to work and suddenly have to make alternative plans for the kids, impossible of course in that number and time frame.

    Unfortunately, in many (most?) places it is a highly political atmosphere to work in these days that uses public money to work against the public's best interest.

    That doesn't mean that plenty of teachers don't work hard for the kids best interests but the system is far from doing the same.
    I'm saying that a strong education system is an integral part of it. I don't understand what a 'value system' is? What do you think the biggest factor is in attracting 'people of value'? What about the effect of school systems on property values? If property values can hold on that means funding for all public employees and services are less likely to be cut.

    People relocate to specific school districts. Good school districts keep home values up because the demand is always there. Steady home values lead to better public safety funding which directly affects crime rates.

    Teachers don't strike in GA. Do you know why they strike? If it's illegal why are they allowed to do it?

    All public service positions are highly political. And there are bad apples in every profession. I'm speaking for my county only, but bad teachers don't last because there is such active involvement from the community that it wouldn't be tolerated.

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  • willowdared
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    Originally posted by JasperST View Post
    As far as the income goes, nearly 4 grand a month is excellent wages, especially in this economy. As far as the job goes, she still gets a check, correct?
    Funny, I put 40k at just over 3k a month. And that's after 12 years. That's about $13 an hour, if teachers only worked a 40 hour work week.

    The average income for most people with a bachelor's is 55k...master's is 75k

    http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...lary/by_Degree

    Average teacher's salary:

    http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...eachers/Salary

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  • stlcopper
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    Wish they had tased the little f---er! He looks like he could use some shock therapy!

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  • JasperST
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    Originally posted by jannino View Post
    Teachers are very important. They are educating our youth that will grow up to be our leaders one day. Counties/cities that have a strong education system are the areas that have the lower crime rates, higher home values, and a better quality of life.
    Are you saying that it's because of the schools? I believe that it's the value system of the local community, schools being a reflection of their value system. Teachers are very important but they get put on pedestals a bit too much. Here, they regularly strike illegally a week before school starts, putting pressure on parents who have to work and suddenly have to make alternative plans for the kids, impossible of course in that number and time frame.

    Unfortunately, in many (most?) places it is a highly political atmosphere to work in these days that uses public money to work against the public's best interest.

    That doesn't mean that plenty of teachers don't work hard for the kids best interests but the system is far from doing the same.

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  • Justsaying
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    I wonder what the people that are defending the brat will say after he takes a gun to school and kills people? Want to bet it will be why didn't the school do anything, have him removed or why didn't the police do anything.

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  • jannino
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    Originally posted by willowdared View Post
    I'm not sure where you live, but the majority of teachers do not make high salaries, nor do they have "sweet" pensions. They are also required by many school districts to continue their education...many require not just a teaching certificate, but bachelor's and master's degrees. They also spend their own money on school supplies, not to mention spend hours of their own time developing lesson plans, grading papers and helping struggling students.
    He tends to go on rants. Teachers are being furloughed and fired all the time in GA. They are far from overpaid and have to do all of the same things you mentioned. He is always negative about others making money and how crappy he has it.

    I don't have kids school age yet. I have never used fire or EMS services. I pay for roads I never travel. I help fund hospitals I never go to.

    Teachers are very important. They are educating our youth that will grow up to be our leaders one day. Counties/cities that have a strong education system are the areas that have the lower crime rates, higher home values, and a better quality of life.

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  • JTShooter
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    Best part of the one interview I listened to was when the mom said, "I'm sure what he was doing was probably bad, but they didn't have to treat him like a common criminal..."

    Hey lady, keep on giving into him and that's all he's gonna be.

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