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  • Losing My Patience With The UN

    Pat Robertson was right-
    The US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!

    I DON'T like the inroads they are trying to make with "small arms ownership with civilians" as surfaced a couple years ago (where they looked at strategies for limiting "small arms" possession by non-military and police forces, even right here in the US) because they feel that it assists insurgents in times of unrest (that's why we have the Second Amendment, so it's a moot point to everyone with knowledge, but to the ignorant who believe the 2nd Amendment has to do with "the National Guard" or duck hunting may be easily swayed to believe it's a "loophole." )

    An Amendment to the Constitution is not a "loophole" but that knock-kneed Brady b*t*h and the rest of the effiminates over at thew VPC LOVE using that as a "buzzword" everytime they attack another guaranteed right.

    I also DON'T like how they (the UN) are wanting to *****foot around with Saddam while he makes a mockery of them and shows he has AB-SO-FREAKIN-LUTELY no intentions of "disarming" or complying with THEIR resolution. And while they are calling for "peace" and "more inspectors" he is playing a shell game with them. An Arab culture will not allow itself to have terms it views as it's own business dictated to it by a largely non-Arab group.

    One of the basic tenets of criminal justice is this-if there is no enforcement, then the written law is useless, and the UN is acting useless, and OBVIOUSLY afraid of using force. It will be TOO late, and we will run the MUCH GREATER risk of having troops exposed to NBC stuff, the longer we wait.

    I'm glad that GWB and Colin Powell have made it clear that if they don't act on this IN CONCERT, and SOON, then their LACK of action will prove them to be an irrelavant body. I like the fact that they have been told that on several occaisons-that they risk IRRELEVANCE if they refuse to enforce their own Resolution, especially on something this important.

    Also, I'm glad that Bush made it clear to them that we would really like their support, but at the end of the day, we don't need SH*T from them. We don't need their consent, their saction, their approval.

    And NOW, this.

    Ole' Pat was dead on. Us out of them, and them out of our country. Will someone please tell them to kiss our collective anuses??????

    THE HAGUE, Netherlands — The United States must temporarily stay the execution of three Mexican citizens on death row in Texas and Oklahoma, the World Court ruled Wednesday.

    In a unanimous decision, the 15-judge panel said that the delay was needed while the U.N. court investigates in full whether the men — and 48 other Mexicans on death row in U.S. prisons — were given their right to legal help from the Mexican government.

    The World Court, officially known as the International Court of Justice, is the U.N.'s court for resolving disputes between nations. It has no power to enforce its decisions, and the United States has disregarded them in the past.

    It is the third World Court case in five years against the United States dealing with the death penalty. In a nearly identical high-profile case in 2001 it found that the United States had violated international law by not informing a German citizen of his right to consular assistance.

    Walter LaGrand was executed in Arizona despite an order to postpone his punishment until it had heard Germany's case.

    Reading the ruling Wednesday, presiding Judge Gilbert Guillaume said the court supported Mexico's argument that executing the men would cause "irreparable" damage to their rights if the court later finds in Mexico's favor.

    "The United States shall take all measures necessary to ensure that (the men) are not executed pending final judgment in these proceedings," he said.

    U.S. ambassador to the Netherlands Clifford Sobel said the Justice Department was "studying the decision" and would comment as soon as possible.

    "It's important to note that this is not a ruling on the merits of the case," he said.

    It would be "premature" to say whether the United States will abide by the decision, Sobel said.

    Sandra Babcock, a lawyer for Mexico, said she expects America to comply because "these types of orders are binding on the United States." By ignoring the decision, she said, the United States would send the impression that it "didn't care about the rule of law."

    "Americans traveling abroad are more vulnerable than ever at this point in time, and if the United States disregards the order of the world's highest court on an issue that directly affects Americans abroad (consular assistance), I think that sets a very dangerous precedent."

    Court spokeswoman Laurence Blairon said the court could in theory complain to the U.N. security council — which can impose sanctions — if the ruling is not obeyed.

    Mexico's Ambassador to the Netherlands Santiago Onate said the decision was "a confirmation of international law."

    The men whose executions have temporarily been barred are Cesar Fierro, Roberto Ramos and Osvaldo Torres Aguilera, all of whom had exhausted their U.S. appeals and whose execution date was soon to have been scheduled.

    Fierro and Ramos are imprisoned in Texas, and Aguilera is in Oklahoma.

    Of the three convicted men, Fierro's case is the best-known. He was 22 years old when he was convicted of the Feb. 27, 1979 shooting death of an El Paso taxi driver, Nicolas Castanon. Despite a ruling in a Texas appeals court that his confession was probably coerced, he was not granted a retrial. Fierro has been on death row in Texas longer than any other inmate.

    Ramos, 48, was sentenced to death in February 1992 for killing his wife Leticia and his two youngest children, Abigail, 8, and Jonathan, 3, with a hammer.

    Aguilera was convicted for the July 12, 1993, slayings of Francisco Morales and Maria Yanez during a burglary in Oklahoma City.

    Mexico, which opposes the death penalty, filed its suit against the United States last month. While it asked the court to stay the execution of all 51 Mexicans on death row, the court said a stay was needed for only the three most urgent cases for now.

    The court was expected to set a date Thursday for hearings to consider whether the prisoners' rights were indeed violated under the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Rights.

    When the suit was filed last month, the United States argued that granting Mexico's request for a stay of all executions would be an unwarranted intrusion on the U.S. criminal justice system and U.S. sovereignty.

    Elihu Lauterpacht, a lawyer for the United States, labeled the Mexican case a publicity stunt, and said that an order to stay executions in state prisons might be unenforceable for the U.S. federal government.

    The Mexicans on death row in the United States are imprisoned in California, Texas, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Nevada, Ohio, Oklahoma and Oregon.
    People have more fun than anybody.

  • #2
    Execute the murderers, then do the same to the U.N. troops when they cross our borders. Oh, wait, forgot - the U.N. wouldn't exist without Uncle Sugar Daddy. We supply the vast bulk of the U.N.'s muscle, as well as the cash.

    Time to pull out of the U.N. and evict them from our nation.

    I want to never again see an American soldier in a blue helmet.
    Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

    I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq


    • #3
      "the U.N. is about as useless as used _______!"

      you take it from here.
      I'll post, You argue.


      • #4
        "Liberty is not a loophole!"

        G. Gordon Liddy


        • #5
          You think you're ****ed now...have you heard that Iraq will be chairing the next UN Disarmament Conference (May 12 - June 27)?
          Iran will co-chair!
          I'd also love to know how Libya ended up with the chairmanship of the UN Commission on Human Rights!
          Yes...that's right...Uncle Qaddafi was voted in by an overwhelming 33-3!


          • #6
            As much as I disagree with SGT Dave on gun control, I have to agree with his comment on the UN. They are just *****-footing with the Iraq situation. The more that they pontificate, the more the UN is seen to be a shell with no substance.

            Awww come on.... I can't write the word "p u s s y - f o o t i n g"???

            [ 02-06-2003, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: Artie ]
            "Minds are like parachutes. They only function when they are open." Sir James Dewar 1842-1923


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