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  • Suit Blames Ford for Crown Victoria Defect

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    dallas pd has attorneys going to michigan to gather information for a huge lawsuit.

    that's why we're going to intrepid police cars.

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    • #3
      To me it's the same as people sueing gun makers for crime. Some drunk moron runs into the back of a cop car at a very high rate of speed, and it's the manufacturers fault all of a sudden.

      Many Fords have the gas tank mounted like the CV, but I guess that's different or something.

      [ 01-31-2003, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: Mike Tx ]

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      • #4
        And if we look at the statistics of Crown Vics that have been rear ended and not caught on fire, Id be willing to bet that the precentage is much higher. I can think of 3 rear enders that have happend in my dept. in the last year.

        Any vehicle s subject to fire when it gets rear ended. Until they start mounting gas tanks in the front it'll stay that way.
        "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

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        • #5
          quote:
          Originally posted by Mike Tx:
          To me it's the same as people sueing gun makers for crime. Some drunk moron runs into the back of a cop car at a very high rate of speed, and it's the manufacturers fault all of a sudden

          I disagree. For some time there have been rumors, and later official complaints, about the vulnerability of the gas tanks on the Crown Vics. The complaints reached the point where NHTSA had to do its own testing to prove/disprove these complaints. While these tests claim to prove there's nothing wrong with the design of the Crown Vic, there are a lot of cops out there who don't trust these cars.

          It's a far cry from what most of us would think as tort abuse.

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          • #6
            Seems to me, that if Ford is making a police car, then they would certainly assume it's going to be taking abuse no ordinary car would... With that in mind...
            Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass.
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            • #7
              I agree with Watchman, only a few have actually happened.

              NHTSA did a year-long tests on them and found no defect. They believe that it is either items in the trunk that caused the fire or some of the added on gear.

              If you all remember the thing a few years back about certain Fords allegedly jumping out of park..... turned out it was due to a wig-wag module from a particular company that was causing it, but the first thing was to blame Ford.

              I think the suit should be a non-starter, particularly given the extensive testing NHTSA did.

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              • #8
                quote:
                Originally posted by Mike Tx:
                To me it's the same as people sueing gun makers for crime. Some drunk moron runs into the back of a cop car at a very high rate of speed, and it's the manufacturers fault all of a sudden.

                Many Fords have the gas tank mounted like the CV, but I guess that's different or something.

                Sorry, Mixe Tx.... I have to disagree with your analogy. Auto manufacturers are expected to anticipate accidents and design cars in a manner to minimize risk to the occupants. Ford clearly erred in their design of the gas tank -- this is quite obvious becuase they altered their design and recalled previously manufactured models to make the vehicles' gas tanks safer.

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                • #9
                  Ford clearly erred in their design of the gas tank -- this is quite obvious becuase they altered their design and recalled previously manufactured models to make the vehicles' gas tanks safer.

                  I disagree...

                  I dont think that they have "erred" at all. They simply manufactured them as they have been doing all along.

                  The fact that they altered their design and made them safer just goes to show that they were willing to reconize that there was a better way to make them more fireproof. It shows that they were willing to respond to the customers demands.

                  The fact that they had a "recall" on them is no cheap fix.

                  If you have a product that becomes less than ideal, you fix it. Its called PROGRESS.

                  On the other hand...cars are designed to ride in, not be crashed. Although we've come a long way in the crash and survival ability of cars, they are still not designed to be crash proof.

                  Its not just the Fords that once in a blue moon catch on fire when they are rear ended. Every single manufacturer has had their cars catch on fire when they we rear ended.

                  Perhaps they could make them "rearend" proof?
                  "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

                  Norman Thomas

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                  • #10
                    quote:
                    Originally posted by Sig220Man:
                    I disagree. For some time there have been rumors, and later official complaints, about the vulnerability of the gas tanks on the Crown Vics.

                    If agencies are aware of the issue and still purchase CVs who is to blame?

                    quote:
                    The complaints reached the point where NHTSA had to do its own testing to prove/disprove these complaints. While these tests claim to prove there's nothing wrong with the design of the Crown Vic, there are a lot of cops out there who don't trust these cars.

                    Fair enough. If you and others don't trust Crown Vics isn't that an issue between you and your employer?
                    Bill R

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                    • #11
                      quote:
                      Originally posted by Bill R:
                      If you and others don't trust Crown Vics isn't that an issue between you and your employer?

                      I didn't say that I didn't trust the Crown Vic; I'm saying that quite a few cops don't. Previous threads about this were quite clear about that.

                      As far as an "issue between you and your employer", last I checked I worked for a quasi-military organization that does not need my permission before purchasing anything. However, many police agencies also have concerns and are considering filing their own court actions, as p01ic3m4n alluded to.

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                      • #12
                        Check this out.

                        www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5DE62D91-7559-4432-8DF3-DD351ED3CBA5
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                        • #13
                          quote:
                          Originally posted by Sig220Man:
                          I didn't say that I didn't trust the Crown Vic; I'm saying that quite a few cops don't. Previous threads about this were quite clear about that.

                          My apologies for my incorrect assumption.
                          quote:
                          As far as an "issue between you and your employer", last I checked I worked for a quasi-military organization that does not need my permission before purchasing anything.
                          If officers feel that their agency is having them work in unsafe conditions due to unsafe equipment, that would seem like a valid topic of discussion. My point is that I've heard this talk about the CVs for some time yet agencies still purchase them. If agencies are aware of the issue and make an informed decision to continue to use the product, I don't believe it is the manufacturer's fault. Kawasaki and Harley Davidson make police motorcycles, are they expected to be rearend proof?

                          [ 02-02-2003, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: Bill R ]
                          Bill R

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                          • #14
                            quote:
                            The fact that they altered their design and made them safer just goes to show that they were willing to reconize that there was a better way to make them more fireproof. It shows that they were willing to respond to the customers demands.

                            If you think for one second that Ford is going to make all those modifications out of the kindness of their hearts and that all the settlements they are making with the families of the dead officers are humanitarian acts you are seriously lacking in business common sense.

                            A company doesn't take actions like that unless they're trying to head off liability.

                            With the new rear wheel drive Intrepid Magnum coming out I'm sure Ford will learn a little lesson. Supply and demand.
                            Law Enforcement has demanded that their cars be safe. If Ford can't supply that another manufacturer will.

                            [ 02-02-2003, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: leedesert ]
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                            • #15
                              If you think for one second that Ford is going to make all those modifications out of the kindness of their hearts and that all the settlements they are making with the families of the dead officers are humanitarian acts you are seriously lacking in business common sense.

                              Well, I never claimed to have any business sense...

                              Actually,I beleive they did it for several reasons. Liablity for one. Corporate Image for two. Public Perception, public demand and contrary to popular belief, they really dont like police officers to burn up in their cars. When people start screaming about defects, they are gonna listen and respond accordingly, if they dont,they are out of business.

                              Its already been mentioned that they have 80% of the police market. I'm sure that it translates to millions of bucks for a large share of the market that they would rather keep.

                              With the new rear wheel drive Intrepid Magnum coming out I'm sure Ford will learn a little lesson. Supply and demand.

                              We shall see. I doubt that it happens any time soon.
                              Law Enforcement has demanded that their cars be safe. If Ford can't supply that another manufacturer will.

                              It looks to me as if they are trying.
                              "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

                              Norman Thomas

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