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  • #16
    Originally posted by FromOhio View Post
    So why do they not release the whole video to avoid public outcry and show what the cause of the situation is?
    Errr...because the Suspect/Suspect friends edited the original version that was released to them for the trial (Freedom of Info Act) .....and posted it....not the Police....
    Last edited by Bearcat357; 06-20-2010, 01:22 PM. Reason: spelling

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Smackzone116 View Post
      As someone who knows both officer's involved, I can honestly say they were not happy with what occurred but felt it had to be done.
      They both look like they're making a game out of it.

      Originally posted by Smackzone116 View Post
      From the 6-7 minute video posted, you see only the parts the defendant wants you to see. The 2 neighbors who were attacked and 30 other minutes of video tell a different story, which is why the owner was found guilty in court for failing to contain a vicious animal.
      Citation needed and the rest of the video.


      Originally posted by Smackzone116 View Post
      The officer's had no pet taxi to load the animal in, no animal control to contact (anywhere in the county), and no less lethal options once it broke the chain it was tied up with. I'm sorry it had to happen, but I assure you it was the right choice.
      There are several animal rescue groups. But from his point of view I suppose it's cheaper to spend a dollar on two rounds of +P+ than rack up the cell phone bill checking out who can take the dog.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by DamianSolomon View Post
        Citation needed and the rest of the video.

        A. You really think the PD is going to release another version of it...?

        B. Further....this guy is a ****bag... A simple check of his background via Missouri Case net shows that he's some serious issues before.... I didn't see this case on there....but if the City isn't tied into Case Net, it will never show up if they charged him on City Charges (which they did).....


        Originally posted by DamianSolomon View Post
        There are several animal rescue groups.
        And where would those be at...? Did you not read what I posted about the City of La Grange....?? They don't have that stuff there.....I am from the other side of the State and we barely have anything and we are quite a bit bigger than they are.....

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        • #19
          It was not the right choice. Any Police Dept from a major metro area to a small village should have come alongs. Pole with an adjustable strap goes over the animals head/neck and you control the animal with it. If they do not have it, then I can see a nice lawsuit coming.
          This is basic equipment. Nothing expensive. 1 hour of training and that's it.
          I look at it as a supervisor would. I always assume I'm being recorded. Therefore if I make a decision I better make sure I'd have the least amount of flak over it. As a supervisor I now have negative publicity coming down to my dept.
          If it is negative cause the officer got aggressive with a gangbanger in front of their family, I'm backing the officer. Officer tazed you for getting smart and not placing your hands behind your back ( or on car) I'm backing the officer. That being said, there are time when the civilian is right. You read it correct. Sometimes both are wrong.
          Animals that are teased will snap. I don't care how friendly Fido is, don't believe me? try it. Now with that said, the animal was tied up. All you have to do is put the come along on him, untie him and bring him to the patrol car or put him in the taxi. No pet taxi? Can you say lawsuit? Failure to equip the officer.
          I was not there. I don't know how the animal got tied up if he was vicious. Wagging his tail? He wants attention. I have been jumped on by animals. I know when they are friendly, greeting me to see what's going on. There is a big difference in that vs charging to bite.
          Had this been charging and growling, then I'd say yes, if all else fails. This might be the wakeup call this dept. needs to hire an animal control officer. That stops this incident almost totally.

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          • #20
            My agency shoots (on average) 2-3 dogs a week.......mostly pitbulls ect......

            Issuing come-alongs?......yeah......try again.....we arent animal control.......

            Lawsuit?....probably.....maybe the agency should countersue for allowing the animal to run amok......
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            • #21
              Game??

              I didn't see anyone making a "game" out of this, as a matter of fact, the officer who dispatched the dog didn't look too pleased afterward. Clearly, he was acting on orders from a higher source.

              I'm all for destroying vicious/feral animals, but a coup de grace to the head of a tied up animal still seems inhumane no matter how you slice it.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Smackzone116 View Post
                The officer's had no pet taxi to load the animal in, no animal control to contact (anywhere in the county), and no less lethal options once it broke the chain it was tied up with. I'm sorry it had to happen, but I assure you it was the right choice.
                Uhm, it was on the pole when the chain broke. The dog then lay down calmly whbefore it was shot. So if they had no place to put it, were they only getting the pole on it to get it to a better spot to shoot it?

                I really am looking for valid reason for this, just not seeing it yet.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by btfp View Post
                  It was not the right choice.
                  Says you based on a edited tape...? Apparently the PD is backing the Officer and the dirtbag (and yes he is....his record is a mile long accoridng to Missouri Open Court stuff online....


                  Originally posted by btfp View Post
                  Any Police Dept from a major metro area to a small village should have come alongs.
                  Errr.....they had one.....


                  Originally posted by btfp View Post
                  I can see a nice lawsuit coming.
                  Either way ****bag was going to sue....happens all the time. And it will get tossed out.....


                  Originally posted by btfp View Post
                  This is basic equipment.
                  For Animal Control....Not LEOs........ I am surprised that they had one at all.....

                  Originally posted by btfp View Post
                  I look at it as a supervisor would. As a supervisor I now have negative publicity coming down to my dept.
                  As a former LEO Supervisor I would look at it as my guys not getting bit and going home at night..... Screw that dog....


                  Originally posted by btfp View Post
                  No pet taxi? Can you say lawsuit? Failure to equip the officer.
                  Once again, do you not get it...? There isn't a town that size in Rural Missouri that has a pet taxi and Animal Control. They can't afford it.... What do you want...? A Cop on the street or some Animal Control person doing 1-2 calls a week....if that...?? It's not going to happen..... Citizens would go nuts if they gave up a Cop for Animal Control...


                  Originally posted by btfp View Post
                  I was not there.
                  None of us were....but some of us are smart enough no to base views on a edited tape... Edited..? Yeap.....PD gave it to the dirtbag for his cour case....Dirtbag and buddies edited it and posted online.....so folks would cry and sob over them and they were hoping to get off... Didn't work other than getting a bunch of animals lovers upset..... and a few cops not using their noggins to think with.....


                  Originally posted by btfp View Post
                  This might be the wakeup call this dept. needs to hire an animal control officer .
                  Once again...never, ever happen. Not in a town of 1000 with a total county population of 10K or so.....
                  Last edited by Bearcat357; 06-20-2010, 04:13 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
                    maybe the agency should countersue for allowing the animal to run amok......
                    Neighbors that were terrorized earlier should....and would probably win since the dirtbag in question was convicted of said charges....

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                      There is no justification for them to have that crap in a car....
                      Yet they had one, right? By come along, I assume we are talking about the pole with the loop that the officer placed around the dogs neck. Why are you two arguing about why they did not have a piece of equipment that they apparently had?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by GGG View Post
                        a piece of equipment that they apparently had?
                        My bad...I thought he was talking about something else..... Never heard it called that term.....

                        I will go back and re-adjust my posts.....

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                          A. You really think the PD is going to release another version of it...?
                          Releasing the full version shouldn't be a problem.

                          Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                          B. Further....this guy is a ****bag... A simple check of his background via Missouri Case net shows that he's some serious issues before.... I didn't see this case on there....but if the City isn't tied into Case Net, it will never show up if they charged him on City Charges (which they did).....
                          I'm not doubting his mastery of d-bagery, but his background isn't the issue.

                          Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                          And where would those be at...? Did you not read what I posted about the City of La Grange....?? They don't have that stuff there.....I am from the other side of the State and we barely have anything and we are quite a bit bigger than they are.....
                          I wasn't referrencing Animal Control. Counties (as a county sponsored service) also have animal shelters and there's always the private citizen route of animal rescues.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DamianSolomon View Post
                            Releasing the full version shouldn't be a problem..
                            For the next person to edit...? Get real.... As far as the City is concerned (from what I am hearing) this is a done deal. Dirtbag was found guity... End of Story...

                            Will they get sued by someone...? Probably....and it won't be the dirtbag....as he doesn't have any money.... Hell, he JUST got out of jail in May.....


                            Originally posted by DamianSolomon View Post
                            but his background isn't the issue..
                            Sure it is..... If you don't think that....then you have apparently never worked in the LE field. We know our repeat customers well....and treat them as such..... Especially the ones with dogs like that....


                            Originally posted by DamianSolomon View Post
                            I wasn't referrencing Animal Control. Counties (as a county sponsored service) also have animal shelters and there's always the private citizen route of animal rescues.
                            Are you not getting it...?? This is Rural Missouri.... There is nothing there. The County barely has 10K residents...do you think they have the means to pay for stuff like that...?

                            Most farmers (if not all) that have dogs that act up or get into animals get shot. End of story..... They don't call the pound to take it away.....they don't take it to a shelter...they shoot it. That's life in Rural Missouri....... So where are they going to take a vicious dog to.....? There is no where to go.....

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                            • #29
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                              Last edited by Smackzone116; 01-21-2012, 10:30 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Smackzone116 View Post
                                The only animal control anywhere near Lewis County is part of the Hannibal MO Police Department.

                                Which is approximately 35 miles south of La Grange....through the scenic city of Palmyra, MO.....

                                Originally posted by Smackzone116 View Post
                                They aren't a county agency and do not take calls outside of their city limits. Clark County does not have animal control, Knox County does not have an animal control, and Marion County (except for Hannibal) does not have animal control. That is all 3 counties directly surrounding Lewis County. As far as having a shelter, the nearest shelter is South of Hannibal in Ralls County.

                                As suspected and that's why I posted what I did...... as I've worked in rural Counties of NW MO...and it's the issue. We had 1 city that had one and was so full, they refused to take animals in.....


                                Originally posted by Smackzone116 View Post
                                LaGrange picks up 2-3 stray dogs a week.

                                That surprises me....as with a town that small I didn't think it would be an issue....is that because of the Casino/RV park....or just typical Hillbilly stuff...?


                                Originally posted by Smackzone116 View Post
                                We shoot more deer involved in car V Deer accidents then dogs by far.
                                I'd hate to think what some of the folks on here would say if they saw dash cams of deers being put down......

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