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    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/01/29/tx.girl.shot.ap/index.html

    HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- A Houston police officer's 7-year-old daughter found a revolver in a bedroom of her home and accidentally shot herself to death, authorities said.

    Dovie Caroline Hill fired the weapon into her head Monday while her 13-year-old sister was babysitting her and three siblings, police said. The child died at a hospital.

    Two loaded revolvers and an unloaded rifle were found in the bedroom, police said.

    The guns "were not secured," Deer Park police Lt. Omar G. Akmal said.

    The girl's father, 39-year-old Glen Forrest Hill, who has worked for the Houston Police Department for nearly 20 years, was at a second job at the time of the shooting. The whereabouts of the mother, Terri Lynn Hill, at the time were unknown.

    Akmal said the case will be referred to county prosecutors.
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    I don't see the importance of locking your guns up. I DO see the importance of teaching a child about the dangers of firearms.

    From the time I was a small child I had access to pistols, shotguns and rifles. I never killed or harmed anyone or myself.

    One other thing......... I see the possibility this thread is gonna turn nasty.........
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    • #3
      posted by KenM:
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      I don't see the importance of locking your guns up.
      If the gun was secured, then the young girl would still be alive. That seems to be an important enough reason to me to have the gun secured.
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      • #4
        quote:
        Originally posted by KenM:
        I don't see the importance of locking your guns up. I DO see the importance of teaching a child about the dangers of firearms.

        From the time I was a small child I had access to pistols, shotguns and rifles. I never killed or harmed anyone or myself.

        One other thing......... I see the possibility this thread is gonna turn nasty.........

        Well, that's kinda like telling a kid not to get a cookie out of the open cookie jar you left on the counter. Of course he's going to go for it.

        And I do see this taking an interesting turn....but to each his own I guess!

        [ 01-29-2003, 09:40 PM: Message edited by: KCadet ]
        If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

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        • #5
          A tragic incident.

          The man should have "gunproofed" his children.

          "Locking" guns and keeping your children in the dark is a great way to ensure an accident in the future.

          A child is a curious creature. It is this quality that kills children, they simply dont know any better and unfortunatley many of them never live to learn.

          That being said,I cant see the wisdom of keeping a loaded gun in the house with young children that can access them. It takes 2-3 seconds to put a magazine in a pistol and rack the slide if needed.

          Its only been in the last few years that the big push for locking guns has occurred. It makes one wonder how we survived these 2 centurys without locking them up.

          Some people will say that it is irresponsible to not lock up your guns. I have a couple of thoughts on this. One, if you keep weapons in the house and dont teach your children at a young age, then you are being negligent in your dutys as a parent. You lock your guns up, but your neighbor that your kids spends lots of his time at dont.That is a potential catastrophy in the making.
          Two, locking up your guns may seem responsible on the forefont, but it puts the responsibility of of keeping your children safe on a mechanical object. If one forgets to lock a safe, it is more dangerous for a young child to see it open than it is for the child that has been taught about them.

          One needs to focus on preventing the problem, rather than a solution to fix it after the fact.
          Locking up your guns is not as good as gunproofing your children. For those that will not teach their children, locking them up is a necessity.

          Just my .02 cents...

          [ 01-29-2003, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: Watchman ]
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          • #6
            quote:
            I don't see the importance of locking your guns up. I DO see the importance of teaching a child about the dangers of firearms.

            From the time I was a small child I had access to pistols, shotguns and rifles. I never killed or harmed anyone or myself.

            One other thing......... I see the possibility this thread is gonna turn nasty.........

            Well...you started it. I was raised with guns as well, but I wasn't taught to shoot at age 7 for christ sake! And you can tell a child about the dangers of matches or kitchen chemicals, does that mean the CHILD won't get into it. Seven years old, MAN. Gimmee a freakin' break!!!!!!!!!!

            How many shots did you get off at SEVEN?????!!
            Criminals prefer unarmed victims.

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            • #7
              I was 5. [Eek!]

              My boys were the same age. Started them with BB guns, then moved to .22 then 20 guage. If they ever wanted to "see" a pistol or rifle all they had to do was ask me, and they could examine it under my supervison. After several sessions of that, they got to the point that they werent as curious about them anymore. Most of their hunting buddies were trained the same way.

              When we'd go hunting they started out with BB guns. When they proved their ability to handle that, with no chastistment from Dad, they moved to a single shot .22 that they carried unloaded until I gave them a bullet to shoot a rabbit or a squirrle. After a few years, They were ready to load it up for the whole hunting trip, it was a proud day for them with the understanding that any slopply gun handling would prevent them from having a loaded gun. Guess what? Never had an incident.

              It worked...
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              • #8
                Jules, at 7 I had shot 22's etc. I saw what happened when varmint, etc were shot. I saw the destruction, the permanence, and the fire and recoil of larger calibre weapons.

                At age 5 my daughter was at the range watching daddy shoot. We shot watermelons, water jugs, etc. She has a VERY healthy respect for firearms, and has zero curiosity about them. She knows from what end death emerges.

                That said, I would not keep loaded firearms accessible to her. I don't trust her enough to bet her LIFE on her education and experience.

                The key here is education, good education, and parental precaution.
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                • #9
                  That's all fine and good, Watchman, most people don't do what you did with your children. I was 12 when handed my first gun. Under strict supervision, guns and kids are fine. What about the careless parents who leave the guns where their kids can get to them? AND don't have the brains to teach their kids about responsible use of fiearms? I'm pro-gun all the way, just leave 'em locked around the kiddies OR supervise them when they're handling.
                  Criminals prefer unarmed victims.

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                  • #10


                    [ 04-04-2003, 09:11 PM: Message edited by: Frank Booth ]

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                    • #11
                      quote:
                      That said, I would not keep loaded firearms accessible to her. I don't trust her enough to bet her LIFE on her education and experience.
                      Kids are kids, they'll find any and all trouble, why leave a loaded gun around for a child to find? A child doesn't have enough respect for the damage a gun can do. Or a match....or a kitchen chemical....
                      Criminals prefer unarmed victims.

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                      • #12
                        Its the "attitude" Frank.

                        You might notice that those from the antigun states totally freak out at the notion of kids having anything to do with firearms.

                        Yet those with the hunting cultures teach their kids at a young age.

                        I'd be willing to bet which group has more problems with firearms .
                        "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

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                        • #13
                          What about the careless parents who leave the guns where their kids can get to them? AND don't have the brains to teach their kids about responsible use of fiearms?

                          Now change the word "firearm" to "alcohol".

                          To be honest with you, we have more kids killing themselves with alcohol around here than anything else.

                          And Frank, your post makes me wonder how any kids from the south ever survived through a typical "teen ager's crisis".
                          "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

                          Norman Thomas

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                          • #14
                            How did we go from firearms to alcohol???
                            Criminals prefer unarmed victims.

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                            • #15
                              Both are deadly.

                              I see more damge done with alcohol than firearms.

                              So a kid gets killed with a gun.It is a tragedy.Are we gonna pass a law making it mandantory for ALL people to lock up their guns ?
                              "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

                              Norman Thomas

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