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    pull bill's zipper up nancy -- he had NOTHING to do with our military might now or during his "regime".

    Appeaser Pelosi: 'We' Could've Done Better in Toppling Saddam

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi still insists she was right in opposing Operation Iraqi Freedom. But she credits the anti-defense Bill Clinton, of all people, for its success.

    "I have absolutely no regret about my vote on this war." The same questions still remain, she told reporters Thursday: "The cost in human lives. The cost to our budget, probably $100 billion.

    "We could have probably brought down that statue for a lot less. The cost to our economy. But the most important question at this time, now that we're toward the end of it, is what is the cost to the war on terrorism?"

    The San Francisco Democrat and appeasement activist failed to say exactly how she would've disarmed genocidal maniac Saddam Hussein. Perhaps by plugging all his weapons with flowers?

    Even Pelosi's own chief underling, lefty House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., disagrees with her. Whereas Pelosi said she was "not convinced the war in Iraq has made Americans safer," the Washington Times reported today, Hoyer said the military campaign was "strengthening the security of our nation, as well as the nations of the Middle East and the nations of the world."

    Pelosi's funniest comment ever: claiming that the success of Operation Iraqi Freedom was due "in large measure" to Clinton, who in fact decimated America's military.

    "This best-trained, best-equipped, best-led force for peace in the history of the world was not invented in the last two years. This had a strong influence and strong support during the Clinton years," the La-La Land revisionist claimed.

    Please keep talking, Democrats. Please keep revealing your true selves to America. The more the likes of Nancy Pelosi, John "Regime Change" Kerry, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, Dick Gephardt, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschle, Marcy Kaptur and Patty "Osama Mama" Murray keep talking, the more moderates they'll alienate.

    [ 04-12-2003, 02:51 AM: Message edited by: Niteshift ]
    I'll post, You argue.

  • #2
    Nickg, you're the best! I always look forward to your topics, as I never know what you're going to come up with next.

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    • #3
      quote:
      Pelosi's funniest comment ever: claiming that the success of Operation Iraqi Freedom was due "in large measure" to Clinton, who in fact decimated America's military.
      Which is really funny considering that the Republicans controlled Congress for the majority of Clinton's term in office. Why didn't they do anything about it? Oh, right, they were too busy politicizing Mogadishu and giving Osama and Hussein reasons to believe that America couldn't stomach casualties.

      PS - 156, what's REALLY cool is when Nick posts something and ISN'T being a whiny little punk

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      • #4
        There's a good commentary that goes into detail on just how "Good" for the military Clinton was.

        Commentary

        The Clinton Army
        Charles R. Smith
        Friday, April 11, 2003
        Left Claims Clinton Helped Military

        There are times that spin masters on the left get their facts so twisted that they end up looking like fools. It has been suggested by several spinners in Democrat Party ranks that it is "Bill Clinton's military" that is currently winning the war in Iraq.

        The facts show that Bill Clinton halted military development, wasted critical weapons and allowed our forces to become dangerously weak.

        No major weapon system was ever introduced during the Clinton years. In fact, many weapons systems were delayed or denied adequate funding.

        No Patriot Here

        For example, the Patriot missile was not improved during the Clinton years. The repeated pleas of U.S. military leaders that we needed some means to protect ourselves from the ballistic missile threat fell on deaf ears inside the Clinton White House.

        Proposed upgrades to the Patriot were not tested, delayed or canceled by the Clinton administration in its feverish attempt to salvage the obsolete ABM treaty with the former Soviet Union. American national security came second to the wishes of Moscow.

        The facts show that the Clinton administration traded and sold advanced U.S. military missile technology to China while denying funding to U.S. anti-missile systems that can counter the ballistic missile threat.

        George Bush canceled the ABM treaty and immediately funded the Patriot PAC III program. However, events in the Middle East outpaced the frantic effort to ready the Patriot for war.

        The war in Iraq forced the Bush administration to put Patriot PAC III into service without a formal testing regime. The PAC III has performed its job, protecting Kuwait and our troops from over a dozen Iraqi ballistic missiles. Yet two Coalition aircraft have also been downed by the untested Patriot, an RAF Tornado and a U.S. Navy F-18 Hornet. Clearly, if the Clinton administration had allowed Patriot to be tested, the friendly fire incidents could have been avoided.

        Clinton Missed the Target

        The Clinton administration frequently misused, micromanaged and wasted advanced military weapon systems. Critics of the Clinton administration often cite the failed Tomahawk cruise missile strikes at a Sudanese aspirin factory and poorly targeted missile strikes at empty caves in Afghanistan.

        USAF officials confirmed that the President Clinton had a history of bungling missile strikes, in particular targeting the Air Launched Cruise Missile (ALCM) by micromanagement from the Oval Office.

        One specific example cited was the unsuccessful 1996 Desert Strike operation where USAF ALCMs with fragmentary warheads were incorrectly targeted on hardened Iraq bunkers on White House orders.

        The White House bypassed the USAF Air Combat Command (ACC) and directly ordered B-52s to fire the ALCMs at a hardened Iraqi air defense command bunker. The frag warheads exploded harmlessly outside the Iraq bunker, causing no damage.

        The Iraq bunker was destroyed later by a second, follow-on, strike of Navy Tomahawk missiles with conventional blast explosive warheads.

        Bomb-Happy Clinton

        President Clinton was frequently criticized in Congress and the Pentagon for being "bomb happy. " Clinton's policy of bombing with high-tech weapons rapidly used up critical U.S. military inventories. The shortages, according to DOD officials, were a direct result of Clinton's Defense budget shortfalls for the hard-pressed U.S. military.

        According to Defense planners, the most critical shortfall was in Air Launched Cruise Missiles. In late 1998, Boeing was contracted by the USAF to convert the final remaining 130 nuclear-tipped AGM-86B missiles into conventional "Bunker Buster" ALCMs with 2,000-pound warheads.

        The U.S. used about 330 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 90 ALCMs during Desert Fox strikes – now known as the "Monica Storm" campaign. All the USAF-launched ALCMs were Block 1 types equipped with heavy conventional warheads for bunker busting. In addition, 230 laser-guided bombs were used and about 250 dumb "iron" Mk. 82 bombs.

        According to recon results of Desert Fox, the cruise missile and laser bomb attacks left most of Iraqi air defenses intact.

        Era of Delay and Decay

        The Clinton administration proposed that the B-1 bomber be retired early. The very same B-1 that recently dropped four 2,000-pound bombs on a bunker where Saddam may have been having dinner.

        The Clinton administration delayed the Global Hawk, the Predator, the GPS-guided bomb systems and the Long Bow Apache, and wanted to trim the number of aircraft carriers down to eight.

        Many of the weapons that the U.S. should be fielding now are still in development because of Clinton delays and under-funding.

        The Clinton administration delayed the V-22 Osprey, F-22 Raptor, the Joint Strike Fighter and the Comanche attack helicopter. In addition, the U.S. military is still trying to make up critical shortages in the Milstar space communications program.

        The Air Force, Navy and Marines are also scrambling to make up critical shortages in air-refueling tankers, frequently cut out of the Clinton budget requests.

        During the Clinton years, the U.S. military had to cut valuable training, live-fire exercises and flight hours in order to meet demanding deployment funding spent in Haiti and Kosovo.

        In fact, the U.S. Air Force had to turn to the United Arab Emirates in order to upgrade the F-16 Fighting Falcon. The UAE agreed to purchase advanced versions of the F-16 that the USAF could not afford. The UAE export funded further development of the F-16, which eventually made its way into the U.S. Air Force inventory.

        Bill Clinton never helped the U.S. military and often hurt American national security. It is an outright lie to claim that Bill Clinton has any responsibility for the current success in the desert of Iraq.
        Paul

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        • #5
          Which is really funny considering that the Republicans controlled Congress for the majority of Clinton's term in office. Why didn't they do anything about it?

          They didn't "control" Congress to the point that they could overturn a Presidential veto.

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          • #6
            quote:
            Originally posted by ciaj:
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            PS - 156, what's REALLY cool is when Nick posts something and ISN'T being a whiny little punk

            as long as there are liberals alive i'll ALWAYS have something to whine about!! that ammo never seems to run out -- unfortunately
            I'll post, You argue.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by nickg:

              "We could have probably brought down that statue for a lot less.


              She's right. A Minuteman ICBM costs about $1.8 million plus the cost of the actual warhead...

              "This best-trained, best-equipped, best-led force for peace in the history of the world was not invented in the last two years. This had a strong influence and strong support during the Clinton years," the La-La Land revisionist claimed.

              I've actually heard this a lot lately. This ranks in the top 20 stupidist things I've ever heard. One of the "Clinton Military" pundits even went so far as to claim the current use of precision guided weapons is due to Clinton.

              Every bit of the current high technology weaponry traces it's roots back to Regan. The Tomohawk and GPS were developed under Regan and Bush (41). Anyone who thinks that the military benefited from Clinton obviously didn't serve under him. Try having 0 as in zero maintenance budget for up to 6 months every year. Thanks Bill.

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              Which is really funny considering that the Republicans controlled Congress for the majority of Clinton's term in office. Why didn't they do anything about it
              So are you going to give the Republican controlled congress the credit for balancing the budget too?

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              Oh, right, they were too busy politicizing Mogadishu and giving Osama and Hussein reasons to believe that America couldn't stomach casualties.
              Like the left wing didn't do a good enough job of that in Vietnam. They didn't need any help. Never mind the fact that Somalia had NOTHING to do with national security and we shouldn't have been there in the first place.
              On the wings of a dove
              Let's roll for justice
              Let's roll for truth
              Let's not let our children grow up
              Fearful in their youth -- Neil Young

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              • #8
                quote:
                Originally posted by nickg:
                This best-trained, best-equipped, best-led force for peace in the history of the world was not invented in the last two years. This had a strong influence and strong support during the Clinton years,"

                Anyone who believes this drivel is a complete idiot who needs to have their head examined.

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                • #9
                  Actually Clinton spent his eight years doing what he could to take the US down a few notches in the world.

                  He recently gave a speech where he said something to the effect that Americans should prepare ourselves for the day when the US isn't the only superpower in the world. He did his best to bring the Chinese up to superpower status.

                  While in office, he was taking money from the Chinese, in exchange for ICBM guidance technology. What an intelligence coup! For eight years they actually had a mole in the Oval Office. The whole Monica fiasco was bad enough but pales in comparison to the damage done there.

                  When an FBI Agent does something like that they call him a spy, and throw him in jail for the rest of his natural life.

                  Missile secrets to the Chinese, in exchange for money.

                  Deals with North Korea.

                  Throw in some black helicopters and you have a plot for a bestseller. Except it was for real. That makes it just plain scary!

                  The hairs on the back of my neck stand up when I think about the ripples that will begin to show up years down the road.

                  The Chinese consider "May you live in interesting times," to be a curse, not a blessing.

                  It's definitely going to be interesting.

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                  • #10
                    The saddest thing about Clinton is that he was fairly bankrupt in the brains department. Most of his "good" ideas came from Hillary.

                    And she's still out there, where as Billyboy is pretty much politically dead.
                    "All the people like us are we,
                    And everyone else is They"

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                    • #11
                      You are forgetting that Clinton was a serious proponet of a one world government and he did his best to advance those goals which were often not in the best interests of the United States.

                      One of those goals is to reduce national militarys and eventually have a global force that "enforces" peace.That is one thing that Clinton did well while he was in office.He did his best to reduce the effectivness of our soldiers, even to the point of letting them get killed by lack of air or armour support just because he didnt want to upset the UN by a show of force beyond what THEY dictated.

                      Even now he seeks what his main goal had been all along, that of UN General Secretry. Make no mistake about Hillary,they are only together for the sake of convience. They are only out for themselves. Both of them ought to be shot for treason.
                      "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

                      Norman Thomas

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                      • #12
                        Watchman- I like your comments. Now that I'm retired from the military (and Clinton is no longer the C-in-C), I can voice my opinion- YOU'RE RIGHT!
                        "All the people like us are we,
                        And everyone else is They"

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