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    Red & Black cafe shows Portland officer the door, won't sell him coffee again
    By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian
    June 03, 2010, 3:41PM

    In mid-May, Portland police Officer James Crooker went to Southeast Portland on a patrol call. With a few minutes to spare, he decided to get a coffee.

    So, he popped into the Red & Black cafe on Southeast 12th Avenue near Oak Street, bought a coffee and was heading out when a customer approached him, saying she appreciates the hard job that police officers do every day in Portland.

    One of the co-owners of the cafe, John Langley, has another point of view. While the officer and customer were chatting, he walked up and asked Crooker to leave, saying he felt uncomfortable having a uniformed officer in the vegan cafe.

    The incident, which was brief, speaks volumes about the tensions between Portland police and some members of the community who are more worried about police shootings than protection.

    Crooker said he was surprised to be shown the door but left immediately. He said this marked a first during his nine-year in law enforcement, two in Portland and seven in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.

    "The places that I've been kicked out of before have been places like the methadone clinic," he said. "I've never been kicked out of a regular cafe."

    But the 36-year-old officer, who was born and raised in Portland, said it's all part of working this city's streets in a uniform.

    "We have a unique relationship with the community," he said. "You're there to protect them but on the other hand they don't know what that involves. Being gracious is part of it."

    A former Marine who served in Iraq, Crooker didn't take the incident to heart.

    "It was not personal," he said. "He was being hostile to my uniform," he said.

    Langley, who did not raise his voice during the encounter, agreed.

    "It's not about the police," Langley said. "It's about what the police represent to many people who frequent the cafe.

    The cafe draws vegans -- of course -- along with homeless people and animal-rights and environmental activists who Langley said have been targets of police abuse and harassment.

    But the cafe also draws customers like Cornelia Seigneur, who blogged about the incident on her website.

    Seigneur, a freelancer for The Oregonian who was enjoying lunch with her daughter on May 18 when Crooker came in, was the one who approached him.

    "There have been some unfortunate situations recently," Seigneur said. "But overall the police are out there day in and day out protecting us."

    She said she struck up a conversation with Crooker to show her support for police, who she said saved the life of a friend after he was shot by gang members.

    When Langley asked Crooker to leave, she was startled.

    "It was shocking," Seigneur said. "Everyone deserves to have a coffee, and he was served a coffee. It was humiliating."

    She said there were only about three other people in the cafe and that no else seemed to notice the officer.

    But the incident has fired a reaction, with dozens of comments pouring into Seigneur's website.

    It's been so overwhelming that she took the blog post down but put it back up Thursday afternoon.

    The cafe, too, has received a deluge of calls, with about half supporting the cafe and the rest expressing anger.

    "We've received threats," Langley said. "People have threatened to attack us and break our windows."

    Still, he has no regrets.

    "I never expected a police officer to come into the space," he said. "If it happened again, I wouldn't serve him."
    Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

  • #2
    When I turn to my life of crime... this is the first place I knock over, because I know no cops will be there to stop me.


    • #3
      They'd better not call for the police to show up when they get robbed or someone's assaulted in their "space".
      NRA Life Member

      The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. - Sir Robert Peel

      Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken


      • #4
        I hope someday a crook comes in and shoves a gun up that managers rectum. Call your idiot friends. You don't deserve the services of the Portland Police...
        Retired LASD


        • #5
          Who wants coffee made by dirty hippies, anyway? DIRTY HIPPIES!
          I miss you, Dave.


          • #6
            What Karma it would be if some people went through with that threat and tore that place up? I hope he doesn't plan on calling the Police.... That seems like the perfect place to hit up because frankly... If they aren't going to call the Police because they are anti-police... looks like the perfect way to get away with some crimes.

            Disclaimer: I am by NO means encouraging anyone to break the law in ANY capacity and do not wish harm on anyone or anything... I'm just amused by the possible karma that could result.


            • #7
              Last edited by when_is_code7; 08-30-2010, 11:09 PM.


              • #8
                Originally posted by when_is_code7 View Post
                Come on now. Dirty Hippies are people too. Nah.... No they're not. Dirty Hippies! Hope a burger joint moves in next door and cooks meat all day!
                Every time you eat a cheeseburger a hippy's hacky sack falls into the sewer!
                The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming or on fire


                • #9
                  I'm glad to hear the officer took the high road here instead of making a big fuss and crying over it. Let the anarchists be in their little fantasy world. Officer Crooker is a grown-*** man with a career and some maturity.
                  I still hope a good boycott will give these d-bags a much needed lesson in economics. I'm pretty sure turning away paying customers is bad business. Can't wait to see this guy wearing a Starbucks uniform next year.
                  "No one can make you feel like a turd without your permission." - Eleanor Roosevelt.


                  • #10
                    I would fill that place with a minority group (preferably one that doesn't frequent the shop) sporting police organized events t-shirts. You know filling up all the chairs but not buying anything. Then if they try to toss them out it can be a biased incident. Plus I'm sure loitering won't fly when they let their usual customers sit there for hours on their macs using the free Wi-Fi


                    • #11
                      Don't worry guys, I'm sure the'll never need the police.... nope, never..... :rollseyes:
                      Semper Paratus/Always Ready
                      Originally posted by jakflak
                      The bottom line: always be nice to the magic voice. All hail the magic voice!!
                      Originally posted by Michigan
                      I have a 1 year old daughter and at this rate I'm almost certain I'm going to end up in prison by the time she's 15 years old. I swear, the first guy that that comes knocking on my door holding onto a naked photo of my daughter.....

                      Don't bother telling me, "oh it's her fault too".... I know, I have double standards. Deal with it.

                      : )


                      • #12
                        Eh, no loss here. The scumbag hippies won't earn the money of the hard working class. They don't deserve it.

                        The real story here, is why was this officer in a hippy/vegan/animal rights/protester establishment to begin with? I'd be more embarrassed to admit that I went inside than admitting that I was kicked out.


                        • #13
                          You reap what you sow.


                          • #14
                            I would spend ALL of my free time doing HEAVY enforcement directly in front of that business, anything from parking tickets to making arrests for illegal possession of shopping carts. He's be out of business with a quickness.

                            There are a lot of businesses in the community I work that are not police friendly and do not want us anywhere near their stores, the major reason is their standard customer is a gangster or dope dealer.

                            I like how any time someone gets a ticket they are being harassed by the police.
                            Originally Posted by VegasMetro
                            maybe it’s me but I think a six pack and midget porn makes for good times?????


                            • #15
                              Great place for the detective's laptop cafe, but I wouldn't give them a dime for a grilled cheese and coffee.


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