Sons Kill Mom, Dismember Her After Seeing The Sopranos

[nickg]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,76754,00.html

SANTA ANA, Calif. — Two young men killed their mother and tried to cover their tracks by chopping off her head and hands the way they saw it done on The Sopranos, authorities said Monday.
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as an "eyetalian-american" ( ) i DEMAND that the sopranos be taken off the air. it put's us in a bad light. now everyone who dismembers someone will blame it on us "eyetalians" and say we are ALL members of the mafia and do nothing but eat spaghetti and drink wine and sit around with our cousin vinnie and say "fuhgetaboutit".

this stereotype is an outrage and must stop now!!!!

[Bill R]

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we are ALL members of the mafia and do nothing but eat spaghetti and drink wine and sit around with our cousin vinnie and say "fuhgetaboutit".

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What else do y'all do?

[nickg]

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Originally posted by Bill R:

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Originally posted by nickg:


we are ALL members of the mafia and do nothing but eat spaghetti and drink wine and sit around with our cousin vinnie and say "fuhgetaboutit".

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What else do y'all do?

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ssshhhhhh!!!! that's pretty much it, but EVERYBODY doesn't have to know that.

[207]

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we are ALL members of the mafia and do nothing but eat spaghetti and drink wine and sit around with our cousin vinnie and say "fuhgetaboutit".

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I've never seen an episode of the Sopranos but, I did grow up in an "eyetalian" neighborhood where it was MANDATORY that one be in the asphalt, garbage, or landscaping business, and the widows wandered about the neighborhood dressed in black from head to toe.
There was no time to sit around and say "fuhgetaboutit" in this neighborhood. Work had to be done so, it was: "HEY, scungli face, get the huttyacallit outta da truck, let's get to work here will ya!!".

[Mitzi1]

I'm glad I have ONE son. I married into an Italian family. They are not Mafia but they are extremely Italian. My H's parents were born in Italy. I remember when I had dinner with them the first time. I come from a very quiet, meat and potatoes family. My H laughed his head off at me on the way back to my house. He said, "Are you in shock?" lol They are very loud and demonstrative except for my H. He's pretty quiet. I sat and listened (and jumped every time they were loud or laughed...lol) and looked at all the strange food and was a different person after that dinner! lol

[nickg]

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Originally posted by Mitzi1:
I'm glad I have ONE son. I married into an Italian family. They are not Mafia but they are extremely Italian. My H's parents were born in Italy. I remember when I had dinner with them the first time. I come from a very quiet, meat and potatoes family. My H laughed his head off at me on the way back to my house. He said, "Are you in shock?" lol They are very loud and demonstrative except for my H. He's pretty quiet. I sat and listened (and jumped every time they were loud or laughed...lol) and looked at all the strange food and was a different person after that dinner! lol

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yeah...it is QUITE loud at our family gatherings. my wife was the same way when she first came to one of our family get togethers. now it's old hat.

AND lots of food too!! now shuddup and pass me somma 'dat provolone!!

[Snoopy1]

Those boys didn't kill their mother just because they are Italian or just because they watched a TV show with a similar plot. The show may have given an idea as to how not to get caught but obviously it didn't work. They would have killed her anyone, just use a different method. They aren't the first people to kill their mother and unfortunately they won't be the last. They are just a couple of psychos.

[Bob A]

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Those boys didn't kill their mother just because they are Italian or just because they watched a TV show with a similar plot.

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Probably not. This kind of thing happened in movies (Fargo, Resurrection, The Bone Collector)and TV shows(Profiler, HBO's "Autopsies") before. But this show does glamorize crime and criminals. This is also true of movies like Gone in 60 Seconds, and The Fast and the Furious.

IMO, we need to seriously take a look to see if forms of entertainment like this do affect a person's attitudes toward crime.

[RoadRunner440]

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IMO, we need to seriously take a look to see if forms of entertainment like this do affect a person's attitudes toward crime.

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How about seriously take a look to see if parents teach their kids "right from wrong" and "fantasy and reality".

[nickg]

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"IMO, we need to seriously take a look to see if forms of entertainment like this do affect a person's attitudes toward crime."
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YEAH...all those years of Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Maverick, The Rifleman, Wanted: Dead or Alive, The Virginian, Have Gun Will Travel, Cheyenne, Sugarfoot, et al sure turned me into a cold blooded six gun killer.

[FLLawdog]

Wow, Nick, ya just showed your age! I was gonna use Friday the 13th, Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Rambo, Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry and the like as examples. Hell, even My Bodyguard could have sent the wrong message to some poor shmo.

I could also say that all the Ozzy, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and KISS I listened to as a kid should have me a basket case.

But, I guess since I already a strong knowledge of right and wrong and plenty of guidance from my parents, I treated those things like they were intended to be...entertainment.

This whole blame movies and music for everything is nuts. There has to be some degree of personal accountability.

[nickg]

FLLawdog -- but didn't listening to that judas priest stuff make you want to commit suicide....you know, with all that backward masking of subliminal messages and stuff???

[Bob A]

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How about seriously take a look to see if parents teach their kids "right from wrong" and "fantasy and reality".

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Please tell me how my suggestion that the glorification of crime in entertainment media may affect (read that INFLUENCE) a person's attitudes, also suggests that there are no other things which also influence the same attitudes.

My parents taught me and I still did things I shouldn't have. I have taught my children and they do what they decide to do. Ever hear about being able to lead a horse to water?

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This whole blame movies and music for everything is nuts.

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At no point did I (nor do I) blame movies and music for anything. But you have to be nuts if you think being bombarded by negativity and images of glorifying this crap doesn't influence their attitudes.

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There has to be some degree of personal accountability.

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Accountability is fine, but it won't solve problems. Solutions are found when we understand the cause of problems. IMO, there is a lot more blame with the Juvenile Justice System which takes such a soft stance with these kids, until they are a certified menace.

I see it all the time dealing with my kids and nearly all of their friends. They know nothing will happen to them, so they do what they see in these movies and music videos. Nobody with good sense should blame this on any one thing. What we need to do is stop blaming things on parents who have no means to deal with out of control teenagers.

[FLLawdog]

Whoa, hey....cool your jets! At no time was I trying to throw this as a personal afront to you! It was a general statement based on seeing mostly media types rallying parents against the evils of rock and roll and slasher movies to help their own agendas.

As kids we all did stuff that was wrong or even dangerous, but there's no way can...or SHOULD...use that same logic with events, say...like Colombine. In that instance video games and music were listed as contributing factors. While the games and music mentioned aren't high on my list of morally stimulating entertainment, they weren't the sole motivating factors behind that incident. Anyone who is taught right from wrong knows that the actions taken were bad. Any parent who was involved in their child's life would either

A) Not allow that stuff in their house
B) Closely monitor their child's behavior and see what, if any, impact the stuff had on their child
C) Know that strange things were afoot in their own house because Junior was constructing pipe bombs in the garage

That may be a far off example of what we're talking about, but it still applies in smaller ways, too.

[Bob A]

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At no time was I trying to throw this as a personal afront to you!

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Sorry about that. I guess I'm a little cranky. I have a little terrorist stepdaughter who is 13 and a full fledged criminal, and the only people who authorities want to do anything about are my wife and me.

I just get really sick of hearing how "it's the parents' fault". I realize there are absentee parents who are a problem, but that is not always the case. I also get sick of the so-called professionals who want to tell you how to deal with a kid like this. What do you want the parent to do? Their answer? "Have you tried timeout?"