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  • Deputy zaps boy, 10, with Taser

    There is a BIG community outrage over this. What do you think?

    http://chieftain.com/articles/2009/1...a454367982.txt



    Deputy zaps boy, 10, with Taser

    By NICK BONHAM
    THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN
    An "out of control" 10-year-old foster child was shocked with a Taser and arrested by sheriff's deputies Monday in Pueblo West.

    Capt. Jeff Teschner, head of patrol at the Pueblo County Sheriff's Department, said Wednesday that the deputies involved were justified in their use of force.

    "They followed all policies and procedures. This was appropriate use of the Taser device," Teschner said.

    The boy did not sustain injuries in the 3:30 p.m. incident in the 300 block of West Morning Glory Drive, Teschner said.

    Deputies Mark Myers and Randy Mondragon were sent to foster parent Daniel Biby's home to help with an "out of control juvenile" who was reportedly destroying property. Mondragon said the boy had threatened Biby with a pipe and a stick, and had thrown a landscape timber at Biby.

    Mondragon said that when deputies arrived, the boy ran away from them holding a 2-foot-long pipe.

    "This lad, we have a long history of (him) running away. I don't know what his entire psychological profile is, but obviously he has emotional distress," Teschner said.

    The boy ran to a neighbor's yard where he cornered himself between a camper trailer, pontoon boat and a fence, Mondragon

    said.

    The boy ignored a deputy's commands to drop the pipe. "I'm not going to drop the pipe," the boy is quoted as saying in a report.

    Because he is a juvenile, the boy's name was omitted from a copy of the incident report written by Mondragon and provided to The Chieftain.

    Teschner said that because of the tight quarters the boy was in, stunning the child with a Taser was a more effective way of arresting the youth rather than using pepper spray.

    "They couldn't get close enough to deploy pepper spray without putting themselves in danger," Teschner said.

    Myers deployed the Taser at the boy, who then dropped the pipe, and Mondragon arrested the boy.

    "(Biby) said nothing else seems to work with (the boy), so he is going to pursue charges against him," the report said.

    The boy was booked into Pueblo Youth Center on suspicion of menacing with a deadly weapon. Biby declined an interview.

    Teschner said the department's policy on Tasers is not age specific nor does it mention Taser use on juveniles.

    "It's important to use best judgment and consideration anytime you deploy these devices, whether it's an old person or a young person. We followed all our policies and procedures, and I think in this particular instance, (the Taser) was used in an appropriate effect," Teschner said.

    nickb@chieftain.com

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    So what's the big deal? What did they want the deputy to do?
    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
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    • #3
      I think that people are sheep who can be led around by a liberal media that hates the concept of the tazer, and will jump on any perceived abuse by police.
      The use was proper and those in the community who are 'outraged' need to shut the fark up.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by DAL View Post
        So what's the big deal? What did they want the deputy to do?
        His job. And, as we all know, doing your job automatically makes you a bad guy.
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        • #5
          It's hard to judge without having been there... While I agree with Blackavar on some level, you just never know. He might have been a big 10 year old and a pipe is a pipe if it connects with your jaw if he gets a lucky shot.

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          • #6
            It was justified.

            I would've pulled some Jackie Chan moves!
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            • #7
              Do what the officer says or get tazed. Simple concept!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Blackavar
                I'm sorry, but if a deputy sheriff can not control a 10 year old boy physically (pipe or not) he needs to find another job. I don't think tasing the boy is all that bad. I am a HUGE proponent of Tasers. But, tasing a 10 year old because you can't arrest him otherwise?
                Ummm I am sure he probably could have physically controlled him... while doing so he probably could have pulled the boys arm out of joint or injured him...

                In the article it states the boy was not injured...

                Can you think of a better safer way for both officer and suspect to effect this arrest?

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                • #9
                  So he tased the kid...big deal. I would've done it too.

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                  • #10
                    Many 10-year-olds are taller and heavier than the average adult woman. The boy already was being destructive. It also sounded as if the deputy lacked room to maneuver. Sounds to me like hands-on would have risked injury to both the deputy and the boy.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Blackavar
                      My point exactly, if the deputy lacked room to maneuver so did the boy. Yes, I am Monday morning quarterbacking.
                      From the description of where the kid cornered himself, it sounds like he could have swung the pipe up and down, like an axe. I sure wouldn't want a pipe coming in contact with the top of my head, my chin, or... my soldier south of the border.

                      Plus... the article makes no mention of the officer-subject factors that were present. Maybe this was a large 10y/o kid... maybe the deputy was of smaller stature. Who knows.

                      Appropriate use of the Taser, IMO.
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                      • #12
                        Eh. Then you're setting the precedent that age is the determining factor in tazering someone? I think the age of 10 shocks the senses a bit; then again, does that mean a ten year old can't hurt you? Exactly what is the age at which a youngster become old enough to harm you? For that matter, at what age does one become too elderly to harm you?
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                        • #13
                          Losing it, babe. Always been there...

                          I sorta see both sides of the equation. I can see a lucky strike causing an injury...life threatening?...probably not, but the taser isn't to respond to deadly force. I personally don't want to be on lightduty working with CALEA on the third floor because some brat with a pipe managed to injury me, you know? On the other hand, I've gone hands on with people and hurt them simply trying to restrain them. Just like the ten year old girl that was tased a few weeks back, I'm VERY glad I'm not in this media frenzy. Truly am glad.
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                          • #14
                            What about a a 2" pipe, 3" pipe, 4" pipe? Kids that age play baseball and can sometimes knock a ball pretty far... who's to say they couldn't send your kneecap into the outfield? Not trying to argue, just bringing to light the other side of the coin.

                            I certainly wouldn't approach a 10 year old holding a pipe...

                            Hell, there was a kid running around town not long ago with a baseball bat riddled with nails, a different kid running around with a steel pipe. Kids are getting worse these days, thanks to poorer parenting.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Blackavar
                              I don't think it is a big deal that a ten year old kid was tased. I do think it is unfortunate that department has a deputy who can not effect the arrest of a 10 year old boy without the use of a taser. Our use of force continuum puts taser before hands on. I am a huge fan (and instructor) of Tasers. That being said if he was in such tight quarters that pepper spray would have been more dangerous to the officers I'm thinking the kid would have had difficulty swinging the pipe. To say that his arms could have been pulled out of a socket or something is pure conjecture. And seriously, we're talking major force to remove an arm from the socket.

                              The kid is probably a ******bag with a biatch of a mom who refuses to control him. Sorry, guys...gotta stand by my statement.
                              You make some good points.... our use of force scale is similar, but it also makes it very clear that it is used as a guide only and the officer will judge the appropriate level of force given the situation and does not need to escalate through the levels in order...

                              Saying a specific injury is "conjecture" on my part, but I dont think you can argue that going "hands on" with a suspect puts an officer and the suspect at greater risk of an injury than sitting back and popping them with the taser... the real argument though is at what point is this beneficial ... or more important "reasonable" given the situation... I know you cant just Taser everyone you meet that may resist arrest because you dont want to get your hands dirty.... then where does it end

                              Being a taser instructor you know the taser is uncomfortable and painful, but virtually harmless... I absolutely understand where you are coming from... The age is a sensitive issue, but without understanding the actual dynamics of this situation I would not say this situation was handled wrong... or should have been handled differently
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