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  • Italian judge convicts 23 in CIA kidnap case

    Complete bullcrap!...

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/...taly_cia_trial

    Italian judge convicts 23 in CIA kidnap case

    By COLLEEN BARRY, Associated Press Writer Colleen Barry, Associated Press Writer – 42 mins ago
    MILAN – An Italian judge on Wednesday convicted 23 Americans of the 2003 kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric on a Milan street, in a landmark case involving the CIA's extraordinary rendition program in the war on terrorism.

    Citing diplomatic immunity, Judge Oscar Magi told the Milan courtroom Wednesday that he was acquitting three other Americans.

    Former Milan CIA station chief, Robert Seldon Lady, received the stiffest sentence, eight years in prison. The other 22 convicted American defendants each received a five-year sentence.

    The Americans, all but one identified by prosecutors as CIA agents, were tried in absentia. Their lawyers entered innocent pleas on their client's behalf. They are considered fugitives from Italian justice.

    In Washington, CIA spokesman George Little declined to comment on the convictions. He said, "The CIA has not commented on any of the allegations surrounding Abu Omar," the kidnapped man.

    Magi said he was acquitting five Italian defendants because Italy withheld evidence, contending it was classified information. Two of the Italian defendants were convicted as accomplices to kidnapping and received three-year sentences, which despite the state secrecy imposed, indicates that Italian officials were complicit.

    The verdict "sends a strong signal of the crimes committed by the CIA in Europe," said Joanne Mariner of Human Rights Watch. The crimes were "unacceptable and unjustified," said Mariner, who was in the courtroom for the verdict at the end of the nearly 3-year-long trial.

    The Americans were accused of kidnapping Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, also known as Abu Omar, on Feb. 17, 2003, in Milan, then transferring him to U.S. bases in Italy and Germany. He was then moved to Egypt, where he says he was tortured. He was released after four years in prison without being charged.

    The trial is the first by any government over the CIA's extraordinary rendition program, which transferred suspects overseas for interrogation. Human rights advocates charge that renditions were the CIA's way to outsource the torture of prisoners to countries where it is permitted.

    The Milan proceedings have been a sore spot in relations between the United States and Italy. The CIA has declined to comment on the case, and Italy's government has denied involvement.

    Among the Americans acquitted was Jeffrey Castelli, a former Rome CIA station chief, who prosecutors had alleged coordinated the abduction. The two other acquitted Americans were also assigned to the U.S. Embassy in the Italian capital and thus were covered by broad diplomatic immunity.

    (This version CORRECTS UPDATES with reaction from CIA spokesman and Human Rights Watch, three Italians convicted as accomplices. corrects that Lady is a former CIA official. ADDS details on Americans acquitted. Restores byline.)
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  • #2
    4 years in a secret torture prison and no charges?
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    • #3
      Pfft. It's all political BS. They probably convicted a bunch of people that don't even exist. Their whole case was based off of what man had to say and who clearly (being a Muslim terrorist) had an agenda and found some people believe him.

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      • #4
        My first comment here is that the movie "Rendition" was not any good despite the fact that I ordinarily like those types of movies.

        Secondly, who cares what the Italians think?

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        • #5
          Considering the lack of justice (and spine) shown by the Italian authorities regarding the PLO murderers of Leon Klinghoffer, who's surprised at this latest affront to the USA? Even though the murderers of the wheelchair bound senior were sentenced to "life" imprisonment, the spineless Italians let them slip through the cracks to freedom.

          http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news...er-freed-early
          Last edited by pulicords; 11-04-2009, 01:21 PM.
          "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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          • #6
            Ooooooo, fugitives from Italian justice. Wow, I'd be really a-scared.

            When will Italy finally learn that it is even less relevant than France?
            Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

            I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ateamer View Post
              When will Italy finally learn that it is even less relevant than France?
              I wouldn't go that far. They have better food and of course make really fine shotguns! Other than that? Forget about it!
              "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pulicords View Post
                Considering the lack of justice (and spine) shown by the Italian authorities regarding the PLO murderers of Leon Klinghoffer, who's surprised at this latest affront to the USA? Even though the murderers of the wheelchair bound senior were sentenced to "life" imprisonment, the spineless Italians let them slip through the cracks to freedom.

                http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news...er-freed-early
                Yep, and they let the mastermind of the hijacking, Abu Abbas walk right outta the goddamn country.
                "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Orwell

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                • #9
                  So breaking the law is ok if you do it in a country that you deem irrelevant?

                  They got caught doing something that wasn't entirely kosher in that country. That is a risk that spooks take every day. Just because our national security interests outweigh the possible consequences if caught, that doesn't mean that there won't be consequences if caught. You cannot blame another country for enforcing their laws. Think of it the other way around, would you not want someone to pay if Italian spies snatched someone off of Main Street, USA? It's not BS, it's a foreign country excercising it's sovereignty.
                  Last edited by yellowreef; 11-04-2009, 01:46 PM.
                  "You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall... I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by yellowreef View Post
                    So breaking the law is ok if you do it in a country that you deem irrelevant?
                    If the country met it's obligations under NATO and other treaty agreements, there wouldn't be an issue. Should the fact that the Taliban allowed AQ to operate within the borders of it's "nation" () prior to and after the 9/11 attacks cause the US to shrug it's collective shoulders and give up?

                    While US security obviously isn't a concern for Italian civil authorities, it is our concern and I for one am grateful for the actions taken and the assistance provided by at least some Italian authorities.
                    "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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                    • #11
                      Italians have kidnapped people right off the streets in the USA. They made a whole series of movies about it. The first one starred Marlon Brando.
                      Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

                      I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by yellowreef View Post
                        So breaking the law is ok if you do it in a country that you deem irrelevant?

                        They got caught doing something that wasn't entirely kosher in that country. That is a risk that spooks take every day. Just because our national security interests outweigh the possible consequences if caught, that doesn't mean that there won't be consequences if caught. You cannot blame another country for enforcing their laws. Think of it the other way around, would you not want someone to pay if Italian spies snatched someone off of Main Street, USA? It's not BS, it's a foreign country excercising it's sovereignty.
                        I'd think the CIA would teach them to cover their tracks. Very sloppy.

                        I wonder if Berlusconi has the power to pardon the agents. I also wonder whether Obama would allow them to be extradited.
                        Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                        Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                        • #13
                          Does everyone here truly believe that everything is as it seems?

                          M-11
                          “All men dream...... But not equally..
                          Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it is vanity;
                          but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,
                          for they act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible.....”

                          TE Lawrence

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by M-11 View Post
                            Does everyone here truly believe that everything is as it seems?

                            M-11
                            Hope it's not true, but if it is it's pretty weak...I'm sure there something else happening behind the curtins though...
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                            • #15
                              I don't know how it seems, or what the purpose of this exercise is. There could be a lot of reasons for the prosecution.
                              Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                              Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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