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  • The reason one should get a business degree…….

    The person below pretty much burned a lot of money and time in a now useless criminology degree.

    One of my instructors calls the Mercury News the Murky news as it so aptly deserves.

    My issue with this is if Miss Perfect had her sights set on a LEO career and new the game she would have just yielded or avoided being in a place and time that put at risk such a career ambition. Even if she’s right she blew it big time.

    Secondarily, if she knew the stakes she wouldn’t have pleaded guilty to the infraction and been forced to take anger management classes. She needed to win her case outright for even a remote chance.

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    http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stori...nclick_check=1

    Women say San Jose police used excessive force on them during Mardi Gras confrontation

    By Sean Webby
    [email protected]
    Posted: 11/01/2009 05:37:42 PM PST
    Updated: 11/02/2009 10:41:54 AM PST

    Natasha Burton has a résumé that would make most police departments drool. She headed a youth advisory group for the San Diego Police Department. Her mother was an officer there for nine years. The department's police union gave her a scholarship to San Jose State University, where she graduated with a degree in criminology last spring.
    But all the motivation Burton had to become a police officer was shattered, she said, by the blows of police batons on Mardi Gras night 2006.
    Burton and three friends who accompanied her that night say they were not part of the celebration — just part of a group that was trying to get back to campus after stopping for burritos.
    The young women, who say they had not been drinking, became caught up in a nightmare that is detailed in four pending lawsuits. Before it was over, police had struck Burton and two companions with batons. An officer had used pepper spray against a third member of the group. Burton was handcuffed, arrested and subjected, she said, to comments about coming to San Jose "from Oakland," which Burton, who is African-American, took as a racial slur.
    A Bay Area television station, KPIX, videotaped an officer striking one of the women in the back of the legs with a baton, as he was moving her away from the area.
    San Jose police will not discuss the incident, other than to say that an excessive force complaint filed by one of the women was "sustained." That is a
    rare occurrence in a department that has rejected nearly every such complaint in recent years.
    Police reports written at the time, however, describe the women as combative and say Burton struck an officer in the chest, which Burton denies. In the pending federal lawsuits, the police contend the force was appropriate.
    Like Burton, the others in the group were unlikely candidates for a confrontation with police. The group included Christina Sanchez, who majored in justice studies while working part time for the campus police department. Also in the group was Barbara Powell, who later became president of the Black Student Union.
    As the women describe the incident in court documents: They got caught in a phalanx of police assigned to crowd control, while trying to get back to campus. An officer nudged his horse against one member of their group, who then approached a group of officers outside City Hall demanding to know how to file a complaint.
    The officers told her to keep walking, then told the others that she was not permitted to be cutting through the grounds of City Hall. Burton went after her. Burton says she was pushed by an officer, heard another officer say she had assaulted an officer and then felt the
    baton blows. She was tackled in the street, struck again, tightly handcuffed and arrested. Burton said that on her way to jail, the officers accused them of coming from Oakland.
    "I felt like I was losing my mind," Burton said of being locked up. "I felt that the system was failing. I believe in cops; my mother was a cop. I have never had an attitude toward cops. It was hard for me to understand how this could happen."
    Sanchez said the night "completely changed my view" about becoming an officer. She is now in grad school studying social work.
    "I lost trust," Sanchez said. "If I ever had some issue and I need to call a cop because I need help in San Jose, I wouldn't call the San Jose police."
    Powell, now 24, who suffered the pepper spray that night, said that when she sees police now, "I go the other way."
    Taking her mother's advice, Burton made an official complaint to the department's Internal Affairs unit the following day. Three years later, she says she has never heard a response. Police said they normally send a letter documenting the outcome of a complaint.
    Burton eventually pleaded guilty to an infraction, had to pay fees and attend anger management courses. But the memory still humiliates her. Burton said she was denied a job at Santa Clara County's probation department because of the arrest.
    "The San Jose Police Department," she said, "needs to change."
    _____________
    "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

    "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
    - Cornelius Tacitus

  • #2
    Originally posted by SCV-Sop View Post
    The person below pretty much burned a lot of money and time in a now useless criminology degree.

    One of my instructors calls the Mercury News the Murky news as it so aptly deserves.

    My issue with this is if Miss Perfect had her sights set on a LEO career and new the game she would have just yielded or avoided being in a place and time that put at risk such a career ambition. Even if she’s right she blew it big time.

    Secondarily, if she knew the stakes she wouldn’t have pleaded guilty to the infraction and been forced to take anger management classes. She needed to win her case outright for even a remote chance.

    **********

    http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stori...nclick_check=1

    Women say San Jose police used excessive force on them during Mardi Gras confrontation

    By Sean Webby
    [email protected]
    Posted: 11/01/2009 05:37:42 PM PST
    Updated: 11/02/2009 10:41:54 AM PST

    Natasha Burton has a résumé that would make most police departments drool. She headed a youth advisory group for the San Diego Police Department. Her mother was an officer there for nine years. The department's police union gave her a scholarship to San Jose State University, where she graduated with a degree in criminology last spring.
    But all the motivation Burton had to become a police officer was shattered, she said, by the blows of police batons on Mardi Gras night 2006.
    Burton and three friends who accompanied her that night say they were not part of the celebration — just part of a group that was trying to get back to campus after stopping for burritos.
    The young women, who say they had not been drinking, became caught up in a nightmare that is detailed in four pending lawsuits. Before it was over, police had struck Burton and two companions with batons. An officer had used pepper spray against a third member of the group. Burton was handcuffed, arrested and subjected, she said, to comments about coming to San Jose "from Oakland," which Burton, who is African-American, took as a racial slur.
    A Bay Area television station, KPIX, videotaped an officer striking one of the women in the back of the legs with a baton, as he was moving her away from the area.
    San Jose police will not discuss the incident, other than to say that an excessive force complaint filed by one of the women was "sustained." That is a
    rare occurrence in a department that has rejected nearly every such complaint in recent years.
    Police reports written at the time, however, describe the women as combative and say Burton struck an officer in the chest, which Burton denies. In the pending federal lawsuits, the police contend the force was appropriate.
    Like Burton, the others in the group were unlikely candidates for a confrontation with police. The group included Christina Sanchez, who majored in justice studies while working part time for the campus police department. Also in the group was Barbara Powell, who later became president of the Black Student Union.
    As the women describe the incident in court documents: They got caught in a phalanx of police assigned to crowd control, while trying to get back to campus. An officer nudged his horse against one member of their group, who then approached a group of officers outside City Hall demanding to know how to file a complaint.
    The officers told her to keep walking, then told the others that she was not permitted to be cutting through the grounds of City Hall. Burton went after her. Burton says she was pushed by an officer, heard another officer say she had assaulted an officer and then felt the
    baton blows. She was tackled in the street, struck again, tightly handcuffed and arrested. Burton said that on her way to jail, the officers accused them of coming from Oakland.
    "I felt like I was losing my mind," Burton said of being locked up. "I felt that the system was failing. I believe in cops; my mother was a cop. I have never had an attitude toward cops. It was hard for me to understand how this could happen."
    Sanchez said the night "completely changed my view" about becoming an officer. She is now in grad school studying social work.
    "I lost trust," Sanchez said. "If I ever had some issue and I need to call a cop because I need help in San Jose, I wouldn't call the San Jose police."
    Powell, now 24, who suffered the pepper spray that night, said that when she sees police now, "I go the other way."
    Taking her mother's advice, Burton made an official complaint to the department's Internal Affairs unit the following day. Three years later, she says she has never heard a response. Police said they normally send a letter documenting the outcome of a complaint.
    Burton eventually pleaded guilty to an infraction, had to pay fees and attend anger management courses. But the memory still humiliates her. Burton said she was denied a job at Santa Clara County's probation department because of the arrest.
    "The San Jose Police Department," she said, "needs to change."

    I wasn't there, didn't witness the incident. However, I do believe law enforcement is properly trained and was just doing their job. Crowd control, I imagine can be pretty tough sometimes. It would be my guess the party of three got what they earned or had coming to them. Blacks tend to over inflate situations and get very verbal with LE. I'm sure the officers were just doing their job.
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    • #3
      Wasn't there, don't know both sides of the story. Wondering why she "pleaded guilty to an infraction" and had to take anger management.

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      • #4
        An officer saying someone is from Oakland is not a racial slur.
        What is Perseverance?
        -Perseverance is commitment, hard work, patience, endurance.
        -Perseverance is being able to bear difficulties calmly and without complaint.
        -PERSEVERANCE IS TRYING AGAIN AND AGAIN.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by AlmostaLEO View Post
          Blacks tend to over inflate situations and get very verbal with LE. I'm sure the officers were just doing their job.
          That however is going beyond the limits (just my Californian perspective). Something like that wont come out of SJPD’s mouth. If so, the officer can expect a short lived career.

          It wasn't because they are black, it was because they are women
          _____________
          "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

          "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
          - Cornelius Tacitus

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          • #6
            BTW, with the majority of my academy instructors from SJPD, and seeing a SJPD patrol car today with THREE cameras on the roof I can tell you SJPD is a CYA department. If I remember correctly officers are issued digital recorders as well.
            _____________
            "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

            "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
            - Cornelius Tacitus

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            • #7
              Still doesn't absolve them if such comments were made. SJPD isn't the be all end all of LE. They aren't perfect, don't drink the koolaid.

              Yeah, she's a POS. Notice the "pled gulity" was buried towards the end.
              Free Deke O'Mally!!!

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              • #8
                So why did the innocent victim plead guilty? I'd like to hear the other side of the story. I'm envisioning something like, "You can't tell me what to do. My mom's a cop!"
                Last edited by just joe; 11-03-2009, 10:42 AM.

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                • #9
                  I was believing her story right up to the point of her pleading "guilty" to an infraction. It would be nice to know what that infraction was for. Like maybe, failure to disburse? That's the catchall charge for departments that can't prove "intent" to violate the law. But if she thought she was innocent, all the criminology schooling should have taught her to stand her ground if she thought she was innocent. Not plead guilty. Which after all is an "admission" of guilt, which exonerates the PD of any so called force issues.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AlmostaLEO View Post
                    I wasn't there, didn't witness the incident. However, I do believe law enforcement is properly trained and was just doing their job. Crowd control, I imagine can be pretty tough sometimes. It would be my guess the party of three got what they earned or had coming to them. Blacks tend to over inflate situations and get very verbal with LE. I'm sure the officers were just doing their job.
                    Stop using derogatory remarks, and stop stereotyping! You want to be a cop, huh? That attitude will not get you anywhere!
                    VCSD:
                    Written: Passed
                    PAT: Passed
                    PHS interview /Oral: Passed
                    Polygraph:Pending
                    Phsyc: Pending
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                    • #11
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                      Last edited by jd08; 09-30-2013, 02:11 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by AlmostaLEO View Post
                        I wasn't there, didn't witness the incident. However, I do believe law enforcement is properly trained and was just doing their job. Crowd control, I imagine can be pretty tough sometimes. It would be my guess the party of three got what they earned or had coming to them. Blacks tend to over inflate situations and get very verbal with LE. I'm sure the officers were just doing their job.
                        Dude, GTF outta here with that. You obviously haven't been exposed to enough diversity in your life.
                        "Its not what you know, its what you can prove."-Training Day

                        "Game on, bitches. Whoop whoop, flash the lights, pull it over."

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                        • #13
                          San Jose PD is an outstanding agency. For whatever reason the Mercury is perpetually on a mission to bash them at every opportunity.

                          Oh, and her resume was nothing special. So she used to play with kids at the park on the city's dime, she went to college and her mom had a fling with law enforcement. Those "qualifications" are a dime a dozen.
                          Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

                          I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by AlmostaLEO View Post
                            Blacks tend to over inflate situations and get very verbal with LE.
                            Are you serious? You'll never be a cop.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by blargh
                              I strongly recommend a degree in science, engineering, or biology.
                              Anything but CJ, because it is very limiting.
                              “Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie.”

                              Miyamoto Musashi

                              “Life Is Hard, But It's Harder When You're Stupid”

                              George V. Higgins (from The Friends of Eddie Coyle)

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