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  • You can keep San Francisco thank you very much

    ha, Ha, HA!!!!!!!!!

    It is the policy of the SFPD to permit unqualified and potentially dangerous drivers to continue to drive. CHA-CHING$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!$!

    Someone is going to get hit by an unlicensed driver, records are going to show the driver was given a warning and the car not impounded and the victim is going to have been hit within the traditional 30day impound window.

    The City of SF is not going to be able to show it was a public safety policy with safety in mind. The victim is going to be made independently wealthy.

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    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BA381A9A9N.DTL

    S.F. to ease up on unlicensed drivers
    Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross

    Monday, October 26, 2009


    Call it sanctuary on wheels: San Francisco is about to give a big break to people, many of them illegal immigrants, who are caught driving without a license.

    Beginning Sunday, cops will no longer impound cars the first time drivers are pulled over without a license.

    The reason: Many such drivers are in the United States illegally - and thus unable to get a license - and the officials pushing the change think that impounding their cars is an unfair hardship.

    Instead, unlicensed drivers will be given 20 minutes to phone a relative or other acquaintance with a valid license and insurance to pick up the car. If the driver doesn't have a cell phone, police will help him contact someone.

    If no one shows up, then the cop is to call a supervisor to approve the tow.

    A second offense within six months means an automatic tow. But, for those who stay clean for half a year, the clock starts over.

    The change means San Francisco will be far more accommodating to unlicensed drivers than police in Oakland, San Jose and even lefty Berkeley. Cops in all those cities impound the cars of people driving illegally.

    Recently installed Police Chief George Gascón said San Francisco is "trying to be sensitive to all of the communities we serve."

    "We recognize that this is a problem within the Hispanic community, where people working here can't get a driver's license because of their immigration status," Gascón said.

    The 30-day car impounds have long been a sore point with the city's Latino politicos and activists, who feel the practice is unfair.

    Some police officers we spoke with, however, said people without licenses are often lousy drivers - and that the change means more dangerous streets for everyone else.

    "These are the same people who are sailing through stop signs and injuring people," said one traffic cop who asked not to be named for fear of retribution.

    Gascón emphasized that unlicensed drivers "will still be cited. If they don't learn their lesson and repeat offend, the car will be impounded."

    The chief said the change was already in the works when he came to town at the end of July. He said it had sprung from conversations between Mayor Gavin Newsom, Supervisor David Campos - who arrived here illegally from Guatemala at age 14 - and former Police Chief Heather Fong.
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    "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

    "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
    - Cornelius Tacitus

  • #2
    Originally posted by SCV-Sop View Post
    "These are the same people who are sailing through stop signs and injuring people," said one traffic cop who asked not to be named for fear of retribution.

    Gascón emphasized that unlicensed drivers "will still be cited. If they don't learn their lesson and repeat offend, the car will be impounded."

    The chief said the change was already in the works when he came to town at the end of July. He said it had sprung from conversations between Mayor Gavin Newsom, Supervisor David Campos - who arrived here illegally from Guatemala at age 14 - and former Police Chief Heather Fong.
    This coming from a jurisdiction that routinely failed to deport illegal aliens convicted of violent crimes for years? Hard to believe.
    "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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    • #3
      LAPD has been doing this with 12500(a)CVC-non licensed drivers for quite some time now. We are to use discretion when towing a non licensed, we shall (must) impound for suspended / revoked license.

      For 12500's we can either legally park the vehicle or if a licensed driver is available to come to seen we can release it to them.


      This policy stems from an Arizona (I think) case where a licensed driver was teaching his non licensed wife to drive prior to her taking the DMV test, officers stopped them in the driveway of their house and impounded the vehicle under the no license authority. The couple sued and won a butt ton of $$$ so LAPD adopted the new policy. Gascon is from LAPD, it only makes sense to bring the policy there too.
      Originally Posted by VegasMetro
      maybe it’s me but I think a six pack and midget porn makes for good times?????

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      • #4
        If I was a chippie there, I would have a field day. I occasionally deport (via border patrol) unlicensed drivers and always tow cars for no DL.

        I drove through SF for the first time in years a couple weeks ago. It was a bum ridden dump. And I never saw a cop in the tourist district I had lunch in. Thank god for CCW.

        There has been story around for a couple years in my county that a National City PD Sgt. (another 'sanctuary city') told a CHP unit they could not tow an illegal's car in their city. They just laughed at him as the story goes. I'm not sure if that's true of not. My department is pretty much zero tolerance on 12500 drivers. But first offense is only an infraction, all others misd.
        Last edited by nobodyjr; 10-26-2009, 03:04 AM.

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        • #5
          The CHP in the Bay Area routinely take care of such issues with regularity and certainty.

          Mayor Newsome has some radical management styles for city government. Now he wants to be the Governor of CA so he can make this state a "sanctuary state!"
          Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence!

          [George Washington (1732 - 1799)]

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          • #6
            I’ve personally seen officer discretion being used on two separate ride alongs with the same officer.

            Scenario 1:
            PC = tinted windows
            Suspended license driver from out of state
            Tags expired (out of state)
            No proof of insurance.
            23 y/o female driver
            20 y/o male passenger with driver’s permit only
            3 year old restrained in proper child seat in the back (this is what saved the diver from a tow).

            Disposition = cited for all mentioned above, warning given, and officer told them they CAN’T drive the car, and needed to get it off the road. How they moved it was up to them (YES, they in all likelihood simply drove away after we left).

            Scenario 2:
            PC = tinted windows (hint, don’t drive in Campbell, CA with tinted windows :-)
            Unlicensed driver
            Prior on his record for perjury

            TOWED!!!!!!!!!!!
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            "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

            "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
            - Cornelius Tacitus

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            • #7
              Originally posted by nobodyjr View Post
              If I was a chippie there, I would have a field day. I occasionally deport (via border patrol) unlicensed drivers and always tow cars for no DL.

              I drove through SF for the first time in years a couple weeks ago. It was a bum ridden dump. And I never saw a cop in the tourist district I had lunch in. Thank god for CCW.

              There has been story around for a couple years in my county that a National City PD Sgt. (another 'sanctuary city') told a CHP unit they could not tow an illegal's car in their city. They just laughed at him as the story goes. I'm not sure if that's true of not. My department is pretty much zero tolerance on 12500 drivers. But first offense is only an infraction, all others misd.
              The fact that a city has declared itself to be a sanctuary city holds no water with the CHP. Local PD supervisors have no authority over CHP officers unless the CHP is operating under emergency conditions such as mutual aid.

              If a CHP officer stops an unlicensed driver anywhere within the state they will respond with the appropriate enforcement actions as dictated by CHP policy and procedures. If that means taking the car, so be it! The car goes.

              One of the nice things about working for a state agency.
              Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence!

              [George Washington (1732 - 1799)]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SgtCHP View Post
                One of the nice things about working for a state agency.
                Depending on who the Gov. is of course.

                I'm thinking Newsom gets stomped on in the primaries.
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                "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

                "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
                - Cornelius Tacitus

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                • #9
                  That is ridiculous; I rather have them off the streets and not being a danger to anyone then be allowed to operate a motor vehicle without a license. One of those offenders could be the death of someone.

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                  • #10
                    Poor illegal aliens getting thier rights violated...hey look I'm playing the worlds smallest violin.

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                    • #11
                      The city is going to be destroyed soon anyway:

                      http://www.sp***stick.com/rejectedco...ies/cities.htm

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                      • #12
                        I can hardly wait for Gavin Newsom to be elected governor.
                        Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                        Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                        • #13
                          I damned near shat myself. Allowing unlicensed drivers to go free? and get to keep the car? There is a reason illegals cannot get licenses - they're illegal. If they're driving illegally because they're illega, I say hold them and call ICE.

                          Isn't a sanctuary city by definition in direct contravention of Immigration policies? My family hasnt been here that long - we did it legally and the right way. So I have zero tolerance for those who flaunt the system and demean those who have obeyed the law.

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                          • #14
                            Newsome needs the votes. That's why he doesn't want them towed. They use their "matricular" cards to get city services, establish a history, then get registered to vote.
                            Free Deke O'Mally!!!

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                            • #15
                              When I was working Morning Watch and things were quiet, I'd routinely stop newspaper delivery people who were driving unlicensed (and recklessly). Almost without exception, they claimed they'd never gotten a license or insurance because they were here illegally. In addition to arresting them for 12500(a) CVC, I'd tow their vehicles and take them into custody because I was unable to verify their true identity.

                              At least 50% of the time my arrestees were identified (after booking/Cal-ID) as having been convicted on prior cases under other names. Almost all of these suspects were convicted felons and had been previously deported. Probably half of those vehicles searched were found to contain CNS stimulants (cocaine or meth), used by the driver or passengers to keep them "going" during the late night deliveries.

                              Considering how few U.S. citizens (I don't remember any) were working these jobs, is it any wonder that businesses like the Los Angeles Times and the Los Angeles Daily News regularly editorialize against immigration enforcement? Most of the time one person in the car was the "official" employee and his/her "friends" were helping out by running the papers to doorsteps. I wonder how much each worker really earned a night?
                              "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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