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  • Cops Probed After Cell Phone Video Shows Beating of Student

    I hate that word...."probed". Who else but the media uses that word???

    Cops Probed After Cell Phone Video Shows Beating of Student
    Sunday, October 25, 2009

    SAN JOSE, Calif. — A cell phone video that shows police officers repeatedly hitting an unarmed university student with batons and a Taser gun has prompted a criminal investigation into the officers' conduct, a San Jose police spokesman said.

    The video, posted by the San Jose Mercury News on its Web site late Saturday, shows one officer hitting 20-year-old Vietnamese student Phuong Ho with a metal baton more than 10 times, including once on the head. Another officer is seen using his Taser gun on the San Jose State math major.

    The final baton strike in last month's incident appears to take place after handcuffs have been attached to Ho's wrists. The last baton strike ought to bring a felony charge, said Roger Clark, a police expert and a retired lieutenant with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department.

    "It takes me back to the day I saw the Rodney King video on TV," said Clark. The 1991 videotaped beating of the black motorist in Los Angeles resulted in charges against several officers and their acquittal the following year spawned a riot.

    Officers arrested Ho on suspicion of assaulting one of his roommates. He was not armed when police arrived and he told the newspaper he did not resist arrest.

    The confrontation began Sept. 3 when Ho's roommate, Jeremy Suftin, put soap on Ho's steak. The two scuffled, and Ho picked up a steak knife, saying that in his home country he would have killed Suftin for doing what he did.

    Police were called, and four officers responded.

    Officer Kenneth Siegel encountered Ho in the hallway, but could not understand the student's accent, police reports said. Ho then ignored a police command to stand still, reports said.

    When Ho tried to follow Siegel into his room, officer Steven Payne Jr. moved to handcuff Ho. Payne wrote in his report that he pushed the student into a wall and then forced him to the floor when he resisted being handcuffed.

    Ho, who weighs more than 200 pounds (90 kilograms), said his glasses fell off. As he went to pick them up, the officers struck him, he said.

    Another one of Ho's roommates, Dimitri Masouris, captured the events on his cell phone. An officer can be heard on the video shouting, "Turn over!" Ho can be heard moaning and crying as he's struck.

    "In philosophy, they call it 'dehumanization,"' Ho told the Mercury News. "So when they think me a dangerous guy, they don't treat me like I was human. They hit me like an animal or something."

    Masouris said he considered the police response excessive. He sold the tape to San Jose lawyer Duyen Hoang Nguyen, who is representing Ho.

    The Mercury News obtained a copy of the video and showed it to Daniel Katz, San Jose's assistant police chief. The police department is taking the matter very seriously, he said.

    San Jose Mayor Chuck Reed said the incident would be investigated by the internal affairs division of the San Jose Police Department and the results forwarded to the Santa Clara County district attorney for possible criminal prosecution.

    "Both investigations must respect the constitutionally guaranteed right of due process, which belongs to all parties to an investigation," Reed said Sunday in a statement.

    The city's large Vietnamese-American community is already angry over the police shooting of a mentally ill Vietnamese man in May, the newspaper said in an editorial about Ho's beating. The lack of public disclosure in the investigation that followed was also a problem, the paper said.

    Police experts said the grainy, shaky video is difficult to view and may not show actions by Ho that justified the officers' response. Nevertheless, several said the video raises serious concerns.

    "Once he is handcuffed, then he is helpless," said Frank Jordan, a former San Francisco police chief and mayor. "If you can show that his hands are behind his back, and he is handcuffed, that is where you get brutality. That would be excessive force."

    Siegel and Payne didn't respond to written requests for comment sent through department officials and their union
    I've bolded three times where the turd failed to obey commands. Where's the problem?
    "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

  • #2
    Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
    I hate that word...."probed". Who else but the media uses that word???



    I've bolded three times where the turd failed to obey commands. Where's the problem?
    The problem is/was, after he was handcuffed, any further hitting with the baton becomes an assault. The officer that popped him on the head after he was handcuffed, will most likely face serious consequences for his actions. Officer's have a need to control their responses.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by montanahogrider View Post
      The problem is/was, after he was handcuffed, any further hitting with the baton becomes an assault. The officer that popped him on the head after he was handcuffed, will most likely face serious consequences for his actions. Officer's have a need to control their responses.
      Errrr....and suspects automatically stop resisting and cease to be a threat because they have restraints on, right???
      "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

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      • #4
        Maybe the officers of San Jose should work for another agency, let the citizens handle their own problems if they are so disenchanted with their officers.
        Moooooooooooo, I'm a goat

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        • #5
          I need to see this video. I hate monday morning quarterbacking from the media(who have no law enforcement training.)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
            Errrr....and suspects automatically stop resisting and cease to be a threat because they have restraints on, right???
            Certainly not, but maybe they should rethink what they're doing if a couple officers can't control someone they already managed to cuff.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TK5 View Post
              Certainly not, but maybe they should rethink what they're doing if a couple officers can't control someone they already managed to cuff.
              you working for detention should know that it's not always going to be a one on one situation to better control a subject; even if they're in restraints.
              From what I've seen in detention above all, is a dog pile style in numbers to better subdue and secure the subject; rather than giving the restrained person time to think about what they are going to do next.

              As for the article, we only get the information from one-sided and that was the actual person arrested. At first, I was thinking....Vietnamese guy.......what the heck...they usually weigh a hundred pounds wet But than I read 200 lbs.....not as small as I thought. There has got to be a lot of resistance from this guy or something went South real quick.

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              • #8
                The final baton strike in last month's incident appears to take place after handcuffs have been attached to Ho's wrists.
                It APPEARS to have taken place after he was cuffed. But then.........

                Police experts said the grainy, shaky video is difficult to view
                Huhm?

                The last baton strike ought to bring a felony charge, said Roger Clark, a police expert and a retired lieutenant with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department.
                I'm sure glad this guy felt it necessary to weigh in his opinion as alleged "expert" without any evidence, based on a grainy shaky cell phone video. I guess he has to do something to make him seem important. Damn attention whore.

                "It takes me back to the day I saw the Rodney King video on TV,"
                So it takes you back to a time when a violent drug using alcoholic criminal committed multiple felonies, resisted arrest, and had the necessary amount of less lethal force used against him to affect the arrest?

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                • #9
                  Video is here, but I couldn't really see much.



                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PikVkr3GvJ4

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                  • #10
                    Wow, I'm sure glad the former lieutenant is from Krypton and has telescopic vision because my better than 20/20 vision couldn't see anything.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
                      I hate that word...."probed". Who else but the media uses that word?
                      Last time I checked, aliens "probe" while investigators investigate. Maybe we should create a new police position called "Prober". That would look cool on a badge.

                      Now in all seriousness, I couldn't see anything conclusive on the video either. The guy in the hallway made a better door than a window. I hate when retired brass jumps on these cases and throws out all their training and experience to side with the turd.

                      On the bright side, maybe another riot will break out in LA because of it. In this economy, I can use the money.
                      God made perfect cops.......The rest he put in cars.

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                      • #12
                        At most I see his feet on the ground, but I don't know what else is going on.

                        That's pretty weak if that's the foundation of the charges
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                        "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

                        "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
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                        • #13
                          I am curious here. He goes to school in America-yet he does not understand a verbal command in English? Kind of like Sosa in-front of Congress.

                          Lets see here, Don't stick a knife at your roommate and tell him in his country he would kill him for that. 2nd the men with the badges, gun and cuffs ask you to stand still-guess what? You stand still. WTF is so hard with that?

                          That video- what was I watching? The floor could be scrubbed, thats it. I didn't "hear" any racial slurs, or derogatory remarks. It's is called resisting arrest. If you don't resist chances are your not getting hit in the head.

                          This is just Joe Citizen theory.
                          MDRDEP:

                          There are no stupid questions, but there sure are a lot of inquisitive idiots.

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                          • #14
                            It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.

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                            • #15
                              DACP

                              That is Perfect LMAO- that is too funny
                              MDRDEP:

                              There are no stupid questions, but there sure are a lot of inquisitive idiots.

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