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  • Gun-toting Pa. soccer mom, husband found shot dead

    From Associated Press
    October 08, 2009 11:32 AM EDT

    LEBANON, Pa. - A mother of three who gained national notoriety after she openly carried a loaded handgun to her daughter's soccer game was shot dead along with her husband in what appeared to be a murder-suicide.

    Meleanie Hain, 31, and Scott Hain 33, were pronounced dead shortly after 8:30 p.m. Wednesday at their 1 1/2-story brick home in Lebanon, a small city about 80 miles west of Philadelphia.

    The couple's three children home at the time but weren't hurt, police told the Patriot-News in Harrisburg. They were taken to stay with friends and relatives.

    Some neighbors told the Lebanon Daily News they heard or saw the children - a 10-year-old boy and girls aged 2 and 6 - running from the house and screaming "Daddy shot Mommy!" shortly before the 911 emergency center was alerted at 6:20 p.m.

    Debbie Mise, who lives nearby, said she heard a strange sound following by the screams of the children.

    "I heard something heavy drop or fall, and then right away I heard the kids screaming, but I thought they were playing," Mise said. "It was loud. But it didn't sound like a pop."

    Lebanon Police Chief Daniel Wright said Thursday that the case is classified as a "death investigation" involving two adult victims, but that no one outside the home nor any of the children is suspected of killing the couple. Detectives were still at the scene late Thursday morning, he said.

    Wright said he did not plan to release any additional information about the case until after Lebanon County Coroner Dr. Jeffrey Yocum conducts autopsies on Friday.

    Details about the shootings and what prompted the violence remained unclear Thursday morning.

    Neighbor Mark Long said the Hains had been having marital problems for about a week. He said Scott Hain had left home on Tuesday, and Meleanie Hain didn't know where he was, but that he returned Wednesday.

    Another neighbor, Brian Witmer, said he saw Scott Hain mowing his lawn around 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.

    "There was nothing out of the ordinary," he said. "He didn't seem strange at all."

    Scott Hain worked as a parole officer in neighboring Berks County, the News reported. He was formerly a guard at the Camp Hill state prison, according to the newspaper.

    Meleanie Hain made headlines after she attended her then 5-year-old daughter's soccer game in a park on Sept. 11, 2008, with her 9mm Glock pistol in plain view holstered on her hip, upsetting other parents.

    The county sheriff, Michael DeLeo, revoked her gun-carrying permit nine days later.

    Hain successfully appealed the permit revocation, although the judge who restored the permit questioned her judgment and said she had "scared the devil" out of other people at the game.

    Hain sued DeLeo in federal court, alleging that he violated her constitutional rights and prosecuted her maliciously when he took the permit away. She said that because of his actions her baby-sitting service had suffered, her children had been harassed and she had been ostracized by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents.

    DeLeo said at Hain's appeal that he revoked her permit after fielding the parents' complaints. He said he based his decision on a state law that prohibits certain gun permits from being given to anyone whose character and reputation make him or her a danger to public safety.

    After Hain sued DeLeo, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which says it tries to reform the gun industry through sensible regulations, offered to defend him for free.

    "It is a case that calls out for common sense," Brady Center attorney Daniel Vice said then. "It's ridiculous to bring a gun to a child's soccer game."

    A court hearing on Hain's $1 million lawsuit was postponed in May after an attorney in the case was involved in a traffic accident.

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    Information from: The Patriot-News, http://www.pennlive.com/patriotnews
    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

  • #2
    Scott Hain worked as a parole officer in neighboring Berks County, the News reported. He was formerly a guard at the Camp Hill state prison,He also had worked part-time for Lebanon County Central Booking.
    I have seen people ask here what to do about fellow officers who seem to possibly be suicidal, this brings home exactly why we should not ignore this kind of stuff (no I'm not a cop, I'm talking about coworkers in general). Most of us are not qualified to handle these situations. I know of a situation where a half dozen men talked to a friend for hours because he was on the verge of something like this, they though they had talked sense into him, but he went home and shot his wife and himself anyway.

    Bill
    Just pay your dues, and be quiet :-)

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    • #3
      I'm not sure what the two incidents of open carry have to do with a murder suicide, per se. The media has ways of including two separate incidents in one to stir up drama. The writers of the article make it seem as though there is a link between the gun toting soccer mom open carrying and the murder suicide. As far as we know right now, the husband shot the wife. I take it she was not carrying when the situation happened. I may be wrong, but what is the point of discussing her open carry case, lawsuits etc., when she has just been killed? The media sure knows how to stir up trouble.
      "Abandon your animosities and make your sons Americans." - Robert E. Lee, 1865

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      • #4
        Originally posted by az4code23 View Post
        I'm not sure what the two incidents of open carry have to do with a murder suicide, per se. The media has ways of including two separate incidents in one to stir up drama. The writers of the article make it seem as though there is a link between the gun toting soccer mom open carrying and the murder suicide. As far as we know right now, the husband shot the wife. I take it she was not carrying when the situation happened. I may be wrong, but what is the point of discussing her open carry case, lawsuits etc., when she has just been killed? The media sure knows how to stir up trouble.
        Oh they LOVE to insist that if you have a gun it is more likely to be used ON you than BY you to defend yourself. This is just "proof" of that in their opinion. But it could also be "proof" of all kinds of anti-LE BS too.

        Bill
        Just pay your dues, and be quiet :-)

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        • #5
          I found the article interesting because it seems that open carry in Pennsylvania is not so popular as the fanatics who visit here would like us to believe.

          I think the implication is that she was mentally unstable. Perhaps the theme is "live by the gun, die by the gun."

          I didn't see where it says who shot whom. But there is no reason to believe that she would not have been shot if she had been carrying in the house.
          Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
          Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DAL View Post
            I found the article interesting because it seems that open carry in Pennsylvania is not so popular as the fanatics who visit here would like us to believe.

            I think the implication is that she was mentally unstable. Perhaps the theme is "live by the gun, die by the gun."

            I didn't see where it says who shot whom. But there is no reason to believe that she would not have been shot if she had been carrying in the house.
            If he turns out to be the "murder" portion of a murder/suicide then exactly WHO was the stable one ?? Rumor has it that she wanted to divorce him, but was afraid he would kill her if she filed.

            Bill
            Just pay your dues, and be quiet :-)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DAL View Post
              I found the article interesting because it seems that open carry in Pennsylvania is not so popular as the fanatics who visit here would like us to believe.

              I think the implication is that she was mentally unstable. Perhaps the theme is "live by the gun, die by the gun."

              I didn't see where it says who shot whom. But there is no reason to believe that she would not have been shot if she had been carrying in the house.
              The article has nothing to do with open carry. It has to do with a women, who believes in her right to open carry, was murdered by her husband.

              If open carry is not legal in your state, fine. However.......in PA open carry is legal. Don't like it...........move to California or NJ.

              I don't open carry. I don't promote the idea, but I respect their decision to carry that way. It is 100% legal in PA, she never did anything illegal.

              Oh, and before I get branded by some people on this board as a "fanatic".....I happen to be a police officer in PA. And our recent updates FINALLY caught up with the laws that all these so called "fanatics" already know.........that what she and others practice was a legal act.

              So if you think her actions were "unpopular"........its was only because many citizens.........and police officers had no understanding or knowledge of the gun laws. They know the earned run average or point spread of their favorite player/team..........but know squat about guns laws!
              Steve

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Outshined
                If she didn't have a gun he couldn't have shot her with it. Just saying.

                WHAT?????????????
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                I don't agree with your opinion, but I respect its straightforwardness in terms of wrongness.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DAL View Post
                  I didn't see where it says who shot whom. But there is no reason to believe that she would not have been shot if she had been carrying in the house.
                  The article said: Some neighbors told the Lebanon Daily News they heard or saw the children - a 10-year-old boy and girls aged 2 and 6 - running from the house and screaming "Daddy shot Mommy!" shortly before the 911 emergency center was alerted at 6:20 p.m.

                  In which led me to believe that the father shot the wife. I know without conclusive evidence one cannot fully establish that the father shot the mother; however, I am sure the child had a legitimate reason for telling the neighbors "daddy shot mommy"
                  "Abandon your animosities and make your sons Americans." - Robert E. Lee, 1865

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Outshined
                    If she didn't have a gun he couldn't have shot her with it. Just saying.
                    Where does it say that he shot her with HER Glock 9mm?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Outshined
                      If she didn't have a gun he couldn't have shot her with it. Just saying.
                      He was a parole officer; so I am sure she was not the only one in the home with a 9mm. He could have shot her with his 9mm; before she had time to draw.
                      "Abandon your animosities and make your sons Americans." - Robert E. Lee, 1865

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by az4code23 View Post
                        I'm not sure what the two incidents of open carry have to do with a murder suicide, per se. The media has ways of including two separate incidents in one to stir up drama. The writers of the article make it seem as though there is a link between the gun toting soccer mom open carrying and the murder suicide. As far as we know right now, the husband shot the wife. I take it she was not carrying when the situation happened. I may be wrong, but what is the point of discussing her open carry case, lawsuits etc., when she has just been killed? The media sure knows how to stir up trouble.
                        Agreed. Plus the Sheriff who helped revoke her concealed carry permit is a fool that fell to public pressure and HE DID violate her constitutional rights.

                        I'm terribly saddened for the children.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Incognito007 View Post
                          Agreed. Plus the Sheriff who helped revoke her concealed carry permit is a fool that fell to public pressure and HE DID violate her constitutional rights.
                          What is the basis for this conclusion? A mistaken interpretation of a licensing law is not necessarily a civil rights violation.
                          Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                          Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Steve in PA View Post
                            The article has nothing to do with open carry. It has to do with a women, who believes in her right to open carry, was murdered by her husband.
                            Yeap....but the liberal gun hating media once again tries to turn it into something that it isn't.......

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                            • #15
                              http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...eum/index.html
                              Last edited by Nobody; 10-15-2009, 01:03 PM.

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