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  • Till
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    Originally posted by VA Dutch View Post

    Our current governor, Bob McDonnell, used to be the attorney general. In that position, he sent Mayor Bloomberg a "cease and desist" letter and informed him that his 'agents' could be subject to arrest if they tried to do one of their sting operations here in the Old Dominion. Give 'em hell, Governor!!

    Perhaps Mr. Bloomberg and his ilk should consider trying to control THEIR criminals - rather than OUR guns.


    P.S. On the Second Amendment front, our state seems to be moving forward........as our state legislature is about to pass a repeal of our idiotic "one gun per month" law, as well as the silly prohibition on carrying concealed weapons (by those with permits, of course) into ABC-licensed restaurants, provided they don't drink.
    Go Bob!

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  • willbird
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    Originally posted by big mak attack View Post
    when did the Mayor of NY city have jurisdiction to conduct investigations in Nevada, Ohio, and Tennessee
    The people doing these "investigations" should themselves be arrested, they are breaking the law themselves by trying to illegally buy guns. The surrounding states should all send people into NYC and try to buy about anything under the sun, and no doubt they will succeed.

    NYC is a cancer, and it tries to blame it's ills on the Metastatic tumors that it spreads.

    Bill

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  • pulicords
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    If President Obama meant what he said on the campaign trail, then he should have told Bloomie to respect other communities laws and keep his PIs in NYC. (Or was he making that stuff up? )

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  • fedny
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    Since Mayor Bloomberg is so anit-gun, I would like him to ask his NYPD security detail not to carry their firearms. Have fun riding the subway Mike.

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  • VA Dutch
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    Our current governor, Bob McDonnell, used to be the attorney general. In that position, he sent Mayor Bloomberg a "cease and desist" letter and informed him that his 'agents' could be subject to arrest if they tried to do one of their sting operations here in the Old Dominion. Give 'em hell, Governor!!

    Perhaps Mr. Bloomberg and his ilk should consider trying to control THEIR criminals - rather than OUR guns.


    P.S. On the Second Amendment front, our state seems to be moving forward........as our state legislature is about to pass a repeal of our idiotic "one gun per month" law, as well as the silly prohibition on carrying concealed weapons (by those with permits, of course) into ABC-licensed restaurants, provided they don't drink.
    Last edited by VA Dutch; 02-16-2010, 08:35 PM.

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  • jannino
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    I like West Virginia's thinking on this one... hopefully, GA will do the same. Bloomberg has hammered some gun shops down here...

    I don't see how what they're doing isn't criminal

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  • ryker
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    Trained,skilled, well planned and rehearsed trap. Who probably profiled sellers or edited out the valid transactions.

    They had a agenda and they meet it.

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  • marcusindc
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    Follow-up to this story: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010...arns_mike.html

    West Virginia has a message for Mayor Bloomberg: Don't come 'round here to buy our guns.

    A legislator there wants to ban the type of undercover stings that Bloomberg has used to showcase illegal gun sales in other states - and throw the mayor's investigators in jail if necessary.

    "It's for us to handle within our own borders," said state Sen. Jeffrey Kessler, who is running for governor in 2012. "We jealously guard our gun rights, and we're vocal advocates for the Second Amendment."

    He calls his proposal the "Bloomberg bill" - a reflection of how Bloomberg's anti-gun crusade has made him public enemy No. 1 to gun lovers.

    The mayor has spent millions hiring private investigators to videotape gun dealers seemingly violating federal law - selling weapons to people who say they couldn't pass a background check, or who appear to be straw purchasers on behalf of others.

    "It may be good for getting headlines, but it may well be compromising actual law enforcement activities," Kessler said. "He's not a federal law enforcement officer."

    Bloomberg has defended the stings as necessary to keep out-of-state guns from ending up on New York streets and in the hands of criminals.

    He has put the videos on YouTube and mailed copies to Congress. A spokesman refused to say whether more are in progress.

    Kessler's bill would ban those stings, making a felon out of anyone who "persuades, encourages or entices" a gun dealer to make an illegal sale.

    "It's not appropriate for any other law enforcement, absent the feds, to engage in gun buys - or try to entrap with gun buys - within our borders," Kessler said.

    "If there are violations, they should be investigated by clearly recognized law enforcement in our state, rather than by bringing in hired goons to do it."

    Bloomberg spokesman Jason Post fired right back, saying the mayor won't stop his fight.

    "This legislation gets it exactly backward. The city has never broken the law, but we have caught unscrupulous gun dealers selling in violation of federal law," Post said.

    "Because 90% of guns used in crimes in New York City come from out of state, we have been forced to go outside our own borders to keep New Yorkers safe."

    Kessler said he introduced the bill after the National Rifle Association told him of similar proposals in other states. The NRA didn't return a call for comment, but Kessler said he expects his bill to become law.

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  • PhilipCal
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    Her's another thought, I believe most of us as Cops can agree on. While being an enthusiastic supporter of the 2nd Ammendement, I can appreciate the feelings of someone who doesn't wish to own a firearm. I totally support that individual in his right NOT to own a firearm, should that be his choice. Then, you have people like Little Mickey, Bill and Hillary Clinton, others, who not only don't like firearms , but feel they have the right to impose that view on us. There is a noticeable double standard at work here as. these figures, anti-gun as they are, are protected by armed police everywhere they go.

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  • mikeymedic
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    Gun shows here in Colorado; or those that I have been to for that matter. Have a Place in the center set up that runs background checks. You cannot sell a gun to someone unless they pass the check at the central station.

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  • yellowreef
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    This would be news except everyone knows it. There is a reason why there are u/c officers/agents from 7463523734 agencies tripping over each other at gun shows.

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  • DAL
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    I'd like to see a video of how criminals buy guns on the streets of New York.

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  • Mike11
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    Some of you all are apparently drinking the kool-aid. Ever hear of the 2nd amendment? There are those out there who are actively seeking to abolish it. Bloomberg is one of them!

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  • dadyswat
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    Originally posted by willbird View Post
    I live in Ohio too, and the fact that you passed a check last week, or last month does not mean you are not prohibited today :-). I am also an FFL so I know how the NICS check system works, it can flag people for things that happened fairly recently.

    I am 100% in favor of private parties being able to sell their property to others with no govt involvement. If I saw your Ohio DL and you did not appear to be a meth head you would be good to buy a gun from me as an individual. If you had an Ohio CHL I would feel even better, IMHO every Ohio gun owner should have an Ohio CHL whether you need it or not, all you would have to do is apply, you have already met the educational requirements, many sherrifs even do it free for LE.

    Bill
    Don't get me wrong here I don't want the government involved any more than they are. I recall reading there are some 20,000 firearms laws nationally and we don't need any more. Bloomingidiot only wants to amke an issue to more gun control. It is all all about CONTROL.
    Last edited by dadyswat; 10-08-2009, 03:53 PM.

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  • willbird
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    Originally posted by dadyswat View Post
    That's sounds good until you have a state that doesn't require one or here in Ohio how many private sellers know that when I do my LEOSA qualification they run check each year.
    I live in Ohio too, and the fact that you passed a check last week, or last month does not mean you are not prohibited today :-). I am also an FFL so I know how the NICS check system works, it can flag people for things that happened fairly recently.

    I am 100% in favor of private parties being able to sell their property to others with no govt involvement. If I saw your Ohio DL and you did not appear to be a meth head you would be good to buy a gun from me as an individual. If you had an Ohio CHL I would feel even better, IMHO every Ohio gun owner should have an Ohio CHL whether you need it or not, all you would have to do is apply, you have already met the educational requirements, many sherrifs even do it free for LE.

    Bill

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