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  • Urban Legend???

    I've heard that when researching gangs, cartels, and other criminal organizations online you should use a public computer so that they can't target your home based on your IP address...

    Any truth to this or is it a case of someone being paranoid?

    Thanks
    The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed on the streets

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    In one of my courses on gangs I was told they often have viruses embedded in their websites that can infiltrate your computer for annoyance and cyber crime purposes.
    'Evil always wins when Good does nothing'-Anonymous

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    • #3
      I would think it would be easier for them to just follow you home after your shift was over.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by David Hineline View Post
        I would think it would be easier for them to just follow you home after your shift was over.
        I kind of a agree. Kinda have to be a little 'nerdy' to sit there tracin peoples IPs. If someone takes the time to trace my IP, look through my documents.... I dunno, bu I agree, it would be easier to follow than g through all that IP tracing.
        "Abandon your animosities and make your sons Americans." - Robert E. Lee, 1865

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        • #5
          Unless you have a static IP address, the only information they can get is the identity and location of your ISP. They need access to the ISP's records to determine whom the address was assigned to on a specific day. You can use an anonymizer program or proxy server to keep even the identity of your ISP secret. Or you can use wi-fi at a public location.
          Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
          Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jessyca View Post
            I've heard that when researching gangs, cartels, and other criminal organizations online you should use a public computer so that they can't target your home based on your IP address...
            "They", who are "they"?
            ...hunter of the shadows is rising...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SkepticAlways View Post
              "They", who are "they"?
              They being the members of the criminal organizations.
              The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed on the streets

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              • #8
                I'm always sort of paranoid about that when I've gone onto sites like with criminal organizations, it's a weird feeling, like you need to clear your internet history and remove all cookies from them LOL.

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                • #9
                  Which criminal organizations are you researching that have IT guys that run counter-intelligence operations?
                  ...hunter of the shadows is rising...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SkepticAlways View Post
                    "They", who are "they"?
                    The operators of the websites you visit.
                    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      If you're researching them for the job, why not do it from work?
                      If I tell you what I know, I'd have to kill you. Fortunately, I don't know much.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ISPY4U2 View Post
                        If you're researching them for the job, why not do it from work?
                        For school not work. But yeah, the school computers would be an option if I was worried about it. Honestly though I'm mostly researching on news sites, so being traced via IP address is not really my biggest concern at the moment.
                        The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed on the streets

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ISPY4U2 View Post
                          If you're researching them for the job, why not do it from work?
                          I have heard that some groups will redirect you to a different version of their website if you are using a law-enforcement address. I have been to sites that openly track your IP address and last site visited.

                          I also should have mentioned that the website you visit can learn the last site you visited, as well as info about the type of computer and operating system you use. Google Chrome does not transmit the website from which you came, and I have heard that there is an option in IE8 to prevent this disclosure.
                          Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                          Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jessyca View Post
                            For school not work. But yeah, the school computers would be an option if I was worried about it. Honestly though I'm mostly researching on news sites, so being traced via IP address is not really my biggest concern at the moment.
                            I'd definitely use school comps for that, then. Much safer. Then again, with the stuff I research daily, using my home comp would be extremely unwise, so I'm probably a little paranoid.

                            Originally posted by DAL View Post
                            I also should have mentioned that the website you visit can learn the last site you visited, as well as info about the type of computer and operating system you use.
                            CRAP!! Note to self: No more visiting "hotmidgetporn.com" before O.com....
                            If I tell you what I know, I'd have to kill you. Fortunately, I don't know much.

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                            • #15
                              Possible? yes. Common? No.

                              Your risk profile is usually linked to the specific site you are visiting and the size/geography/focus of the organization behind it. On the one hand, the overwhelming majority of websites out there log your incoming IP address, what you requested, your user agent string (browser/OS combination for most of us), and you can correlate that data over the course of a session pretty easily.

                              Yes, many gang or whatever sites are infected with viruses but not neccessarily because they are dwimmer crafty and want to take your stuff over but rather because other folks have an interest in owning thier site and infecting thier traffic.

                              Your risk profile is going to be a lot larger on a more organized or larger group as the odds are larger they can afford professional non-homie assistance doing secret squirrel stuff if they want to. Think of it the way that cartels changed business practices int he 80s/90s. Someone told cousin Jose in columbia that they could have central america do the hard stuff getting the stuff over the border and its a more stable, more dependable business practice to just sell to those folks for a little less and let them take the danger and most of the risks.

                              The same kind of thing has happened in e-space as well. There are many who have caught on to encrypted email, coded email, and a few groups that even have gone down the road of rudimentary counter intel and active measures for public web presence.

                              Avoid sites hosted in eastern Europe, Russia, or China or at least surf on a computer whose compromise would limit your exposure.

                              Keep all countermeasures active and make sure that your browsing is compliant with department policy to avoid getting your hand slapped for earning a web based compromise.

                              Keep your computers up to date or ensure that your IT department does likewise. If you have any influence over your department's IT people or policy, maybe send off an email and ask them what thier update policy is. How often? How do they do it? Make sure your department HAS an update policy, particularly if you are a municipal agency.

                              Theres a weak link in most departments and a couple other things that I wont post here but PM me if you want it to check with your IT folks. Also I have some stuff from past compromises I can pass to agency based email addresses.

                              And yeah, hotmidgetporn.com is probably not going to get you promoted but it might get you a raise.
                              Last edited by Oddball-Six; 09-12-2009, 12:34 AM.
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