ONLY the Hollywood liberals are allowed freedom of speech

[nickg]

they like to dish it out but they sure can't take it. F*** 'EM!!!!
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http://www.boycott-hollywood.us/archives/000245.html

May 1, 2003 08:00 AM
Our own personal wind chill
Well, folks - it's been a blast and it's been fun.

Apparently, our domain registrar (namesdirect.com - subsidiary of Dotster.com) have caved to the pressures of the William Morris Agency giant. On April 29, 2003, Dotster.com received a letter from the William Morris Agency in regards to this website. Their complaint accused us of liable and potentially other civil and criminal offenses.

This is another fine example of how Hollywood feels that their opinion and view is the only one that matters. Average citizens are disallowed the free expression of our point of view because they don't like being challenged for their views. I stand firm on the belief that we have done nothing wrong at this website - - The celebrities have expressed their views, and we have responded in kind by expressing our views regarding the thoughts and ideas that they have, publicly, expressed.

Dotster.com has suspended our update information at this domain and have informed us that the DNS information of this domain has been changed and the website will be down within the next 24 hours and our contract with them is now null and void. They are doing this because we did not provide accurate contact information in their public database.

When I explained that the reason we did not provide accurate contact information is because we have received multiple death threats and I did not wish for just anyone to have my personal information - and asked them for suggestions on what to do - Dotster was unmoved. They did not give me the chance to update the information with accurate information and keep the domain. That's not an option - - they are just simply going to shut down our domain - no explanation needed.

We, in fact, recieved no such email from the William Morris Agency.

I can say only this - - the fact that we're being shut down because of the William Morris Agency tells me that we truly touched a raw nerve in someone, somewhere. At the very least, it tells me that our message was recieved by the people that it was intended for. The very fact that we cannot express our opinions regarding the views of these stars/celebs shows me, yet again, the double standard that exists in Follywood.

Thank you all for your support at this website - it appears my hands are tied in keeping it open. Dotster will be closing down our site within the next 24-48 hours. I appreciate the hard work that Chris and Reilly have done at this site and appreciate the ongoing and intelligent, provoking discussions held here.

[156]

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Originally posted by nickg:
they like to dish it out but they sure can't take it. F*** 'EM!!!!

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I agree. Preach on, Nick!

[auntysuz63]

I don't want to get into a fight about anything, but I've just observed that it appears okay to bash "Hollywood" or anyone who disagrees with the "right/conservative" agenda. This extends to having certain individuals banned from radio, fired from jobs, having offers of employment withdrawn, etc. Apparently, this is because these folks are viewed as unpatriotic/unAmerican/ignorant/biased in their beliefs. However, it seems when the "left/liberal" starts pushing back doing the same to the "right/conservative" agenda, there is an uproar...rights are being violated, etc.

I always thought in this country everyone had the right to express their view, regardless of what it was, without fear of retribution. That's what makes it so great to live here. Whether you're right, left, or down the middle, you have the right to your opinion and to express it. No one...repeat no one...should be banned, censored, or in any other way "silenced" for speaking out for what they believe.

If anyone feels the need to censor...do it at home. Turn the channel on the TV, change your radio station, stop clicking on that website, don't read that book, but no one should assume they have the right to decide for me or anyone else what we'll be hearing.

I have my own opinions about politics, religion, social issues, and the like. I share them sparingly, but I'm always interested in everyone's viewpoints. It's how you become informed...make informed choices...and be knowledgeable. Even if someone is saying something I disagree with, I'm willing to hear them out. I may not change my opinion to be more in line with theirs, but I will certainly never tell them they have no right to their opinion. I just ask the same consideration for myself.

[Hemtt]

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it appears okay to bash "Hollywood" or anyone who disagrees with the "right/conservative" agenda. This extends to having certain individuals banned from radio, fired from jobs, having offers of employment withdrawn, etc.

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Please give me one example of a poor hollywood activist that had this happen to them.

Will Coy

Hollywood should be liquidated.

[156]

Never mind. Not gonna go there.

[ 05-04-2003, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: 156 ]

[Mike Tx]

We'll ma'am, that's where you misunderstand free speech. We are free to say what we want, but we are not free from someone else expressing their unhappiness with what we said, by using their free speech and freedom of association.

For example, suppose at work I had a contract with a big company that had a fleet of cars that I exclusively worked on. Then I found out that said company supported something that I do not support and made a public remark that was like, "Hey those people doing that are really pos and should not do that because it's wrong and I think they oughta get the hell out!"

One of their employees hears me and tells his boss, next thing you know, I don't have their business anymore. I shoulda kept my mouth shut, or been willing to accept the conseqeunces of my opinion. Now put a hollywood star in my place and multiply the taking away of the contract by about 60 million, and there you have democracy in action. Sorry if you don't like that but it's a fact and Nick's post is right.

In conclusion, with freedom comes responsibility, something you may have yet to learn.

[ 05-04-2003, 07:53 AM: Message edited by: Mike Tx ]

[Oregon Mike]

I think it's entirely appropriate for private organizations to decide what kind of messages they're associated with.

Mike

[Mike Tx]

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Originally posted by Oregon Mike:
I think it's entirely appropriate for private organizations to decide what kind of messages they're associated with.

Mike

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So do I.

[auntysuz63]

Oh brother...the Dixie Chicks have been banned from radio stations all across the country for their remarks...a university professor in the midwest was fired from his job for making commments against the war...look, all I say is EVERYONE has the right to say their opinion, whatever it might be, whether it's right, left, up down, backwards, forwards or whatever. You don't like the liberals, bash them all you want to...but when I start hearing "ban them" or "shut them down" I get a little nervous. Perhaps today it's Hollywood...tomorrow it may be you or me.

I didn't say Nick was wrong...I merely pointed out that it seemed okay to bash Hollywood or "shut them down," but then when Hollywood started bashing back, "shutting them down" they started screaming their rights were being violated. NO ONE should be shut down.

[ 05-04-2003, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: auntysuz63 ]

[Mike Tx]

Since people have freesom of association, something you don't understand, they can shut down whatever they want as long as no laws is broken.

People that are in charge of a thing can control it the way they see fit.

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all I say is EVERYONE has the right to say their opinion, whatever it might be,

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That'sright, and they also have the freedom to associate in any manner they want. If that association is in the form of a boycott, then that's their rights as well. What you are really saying is that you are all for freedom so long as it pleases you and allows what you want to be seen and heard stand without any responsibility for that.

Freedom does not work that way.

[ 05-04-2003, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: Mike Tx ]

[retired]

aunty,

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Originally posted by auntysuz63:
Oh brother...the Dixie Chicks have been banned from radio stations all across the country for their remarks...a university professor in the midwest was fired from his job for making commments against the war...look, all I say is EVERYONE has the right to say their opinion, whatever it might be, whether it's right, left, up down, backwards, forwards or whatever. You don't like the liberals, bash them all you want to...but when I start hearing "ban them" or "shut them down" I get a little nervous. Perhaps today it's Hollywood...tomorrow it may be you or me.

I didn't say Nick was wrong...I merely pointed out that it seemed okay to bash Hollywood or "shut them down," but then when Hollywood started bashing back, "shutting them down" they started screaming their rights were being violated. NO ONE should be shut down.

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The 1st amendment freedom of speech is not total. Freedom of speech as protected by the 1st is a constraint on government, not on private business. You don't have the right in private business to say what you want to another employee, nor if company policy states you cannnot knoeck their product. It is only government that is constrained, or restricted.

[Kingseye]

Actually, I think Auntysuz63 has it backwards. The leftist/hollyweird types started the whole boycott who you don't believe in thing. They also have been at this "I'm a celebrity, so what I say is more important" crap for far too long.

The Right/conservative bunch are the ones who are just now finding thier intestinal fortitude and responding in kind.

You do not have a right to a job. If I don't like what you say/do or whatever...I can fire you... or not support you by giving you my money.

As already stated by Retired, the 1st Amendment only protects what you say from backlash from the government, not private entities.

The celebrities do not have the right to an uninterrupted supply of my money.

Again, the hollywierd celebs are just now crying because people are using the tactics they have all along promoted....but against them.

I can't seem to work up a tear over this...

[Hemtt]

I must be mistaken, all along I thought it was hollywood that started the whole issue here. I guess it was George Bush that talked smack against the Dixie Chicks. And all the things that Runsfeld has said about Susan Sarandon and Her Puppet, I mean Husband Tim were out of line too.
I think we've been way too uncaring about the plight of these poor coddled millionares who can barely manage to keep their own website in place (Notinourname.com) while squashing any private citizens who try and oppose them in their own turf.
The right to free speech is so important to those with the loudest voices. I'm not rich so I guess I just don't understand.

Will Coy

I hate hollywood.

[auntysuz63]

Like I said, I didn't want to start a fight, or a bashing, or anything else, was just stating my opinion.

[Mike Tx]

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Originally posted by auntysuz63:
Like I said, I didn't want to start a fight, or a bashing, or anything else, was just stating my opinion.

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That's funny. No one is fighting, or bashing, or anything else. We've all just been trying to explain freedom to you. When you post about how you disagree with private citizens boycotting things, you say you are post your opinion. When we post ours, and try to explain what is actually happening, we are "fighting and bashing". That's really sad.