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  • #16
    I think there is plenty info already out there Sparky, but if you do want to set up a site, I'll be glad to provide what I can.

    I have several years experiance already storing water and food, and have some experiance with long range ammo storage as well.

    [ 06-07-2002: Message edited by: MikeTx ]

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    • #17
      If the info is already out there, I'm not terribly interested in duplicating it.

      OTOH, if you guys think we still need to do it, I'm in.
      6P1 (retired)

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      • #18
        I could go both ways on this.

        On the one hand, I don't want to spend alot of time, effort, and money to do duplicate info.

        But then again, I'd like to see something that brings some of this stuff together and offers interprretation and practical info.

        It would also be nice to have something that was oriented maybe to include a LE and local community perspective.

        Hmmm.... still mulling it all over...
        -Sparky

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Sparky:

          It would also be nice to have something that was oriented maybe to include a LE and local community perspective.

          Hmmm.... still mulling it all over...
          Sparky,

          Most cities have an emergency action center (or similar titled office), which accumulates this sort of information. Would it be feasiable to create a site that can link those existing sites into one central depository?

          That would be avoiding the problem of reinventing the wheel, and it would be an logical tie-in with LE agencies too.

          One other LE tie-in would be to set up some of the 'how-to' pages designed to be copied and used to brief patrols / shifts.

          Also, what would be the cost in money to set up such a website?

          Jim Burnes

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          • #20
            Gentlemen;

            As category II nuclear worker I can tell you that there are many things that have not been considered here.

            One.. the water supply. Well water coming straight from the ground should be OK. Any surface water will not. A charcoal filter will filter out some of the radioactive matter but not all. Then you must deal with radioactive filters. How are you gonna dispose of them? They in themselves will become a hazard.

            Boiling water will not reduce radioactivity, in fact it may contaminate an area further with radioactive steam.Not a good idea.

            You cant just wash your food off in the kitchen sink. Any particulate matter will acumulate in the trap, the garbage disposal, the septic tank. If you dont have aseptic tank it'll accumulate wherever the waste water goes. If the waste water is treated at a waste water plant, it will become a major source of radioactivity.

            Alpha radiation will accumulate in the bodys organs. The body will try to remove what it can but easliy damaged organs like the liver,stomach,lungs will suffer from accumulated doses.The thyroid will absorb a certain amount and if it highly radoiactive,
            it will suffer damage. Human waste will also be a radioactive hazard.

            Just a few things to think of. As Jim has stated,it could be very bad. Bad enough that most people wont want to think about it or hear about it.
            "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

            Norman Thomas

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            • #21
              Watchman, thanks so much for your input. Nothing like having someone who knows what he is talking about, tell it like it is.

              I agree that a lot of folks don't want to think about this. Hell, I don't want to myself. But this could well be a matter of survival, not just for individuals, but for entire populations.

              I just don't know. . .
              6P1 (retired)

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              • #22
                Cost will depend..

                I've already got software and stuff, so I'd probably need about $25 for domain registration, and then I would go with a $200/year hosting package to go ahead and start it off right with Mail Manager, Shopping Cart, 500 meg, plenty of transfer, good 24h tech support, etc.

                If I were going to do the site, that's the way I would want to do it.. Total= about $225


                We could have a site that features these and other links, but to justify a whole new site, I think we really need good articles from folks "in the know".. maybe some retired intel folks?

                And we'd need some really good "how to" articles.

                I think we need to get this stuff lined up before we dive in. Otherwise, it'll just be a website of links.. and there isn't much use in that, really.

                Maybe we could hit up AFIO, or MICA and see if any of them would be interested in helping out with articles/analysis... reach out to some of these other "survival" writers to see if they would be interested in doing articles... and touch base with POCs in the local "action centers" and stuff to see if there is interest...

                I'd like to see something that was individual/community based. A real local resources. Also could be a good place for the feds and nat'l groups to send info for education and release.

                The most work won't be the website... it'll be the organizing, getting content, networking, etc. Are you sure you are up for that Jim? It's a TON of work!

                If you and some other folks think this kind of site would be a benefit to everyone out there and are willing to put in some sweat equity on making phone calls and doing press releases and everything else, then I'll put the manhours in on the website, at least to get it started and rolling.
                -Sparky

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                • #23
                  Sparky, I really HATE to do this, but I'm gonna back out of this one. I have some committments coming up that would interfer with my ability to devote enough attention to this.

                  Sorry.
                  6P1 (retired)

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                  • #24
                    Jim, I ran your scenario past an internet friend I have who is current military, a trainer in the middle east. Here is what he says about it. I'm not looking to offend you, just trying to get more info. What do you think?

                    **********************************

                    Not sure how much of it is factual; he did have a few facts here and there...

                    If they do go to blows, it will probably depend on which country gets the upper hand. I doubt the paki can go one-on-one with the red dots... Therefore If the red dots kick ***, what is to prevent the paki from going down with a big bang?

                    I have to agree with him that if it does come to it, Allah's boy will want to get their hand on one of those toys as well to make us pay back for the damage we have done with our toys...

                    Bottom line, all it takes is one idiot (look at McVeigh!), so don't live your life in fear... Enjoy what you got and make the most of what we have...

                    As for the washing and boiling... time, distance and shielding play a big part... I think we will do ok...

                    [ 06-07-2002: Message edited by: MikeTx ]

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                    • #25
                      Mike,

                      No offense taken. Everyone should gather as much up to date intelligence as is available. The critical key is to put it together into a valid forecast, that's tough.

                      We can't live our lives in fear, but we can't reject even the idea that we should be prepared in a basic way. That is, at least store some water, some can foods and learn how to stay warm. Minimum stuff.

                      As Don said above: Pray for Peace, Prepare for War.

                      Jim Burnes

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                      • #26
                        As for the washing and boiling... time, distance and shielding play a big part... I think we will do ok...

                        Well..sort of...

                        Lets look at the possible threat to us if India and Pakistan go nuclear.

                        The radioactivity we will deal with with be in the form of radioactive dust.That dust will more than likey settle all over the cattle, the food crops and the surface water. It literally could contaminate every outside thing depending on the wind currents. What the wind does not bring to us will be brought to us by other people being contaminated and not knowing the proper procedures for trying to contain it.For instance, I am contaminated(unknowingly)on the west coast but I come to your house on the east coast to visit. That hot dust sheds off of me into your home, now you and your family will be contaminated. This stuff just dosent go away, if it's not removed it'll still be contaminated when we both die of old age. It takes trained workers with the respirators and the proper equipment to clean this stuff up, in a major scenario, you can bet your tail that the citizens and their property will be the last to be decontaminated,due to lack of personnel and the fact that the cost of doing this is very,very expensive.

                        This is only if they have a blast on the other side of the earth.If we have an occurrence anywhere on the homefront, all bets are off.

                        Lets just pray that somebody over there is smart enough to not use the danged things...

                        Just to let you know,I dont worry about this crap,since I have no control over it, as I choose to Enjoy what I've got and make the most of what I have...

                        [ 06-08-2002: Message edited by: Watchman ]
                        "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

                        Norman Thomas

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                        • #27
                          Don, no prob. I'm pretty busy myself these days. The time I could put in on this is pretty limited, too.

                          I am reminded here of something F. Nietsche wrote I think in Thus Spoke Zarathustra: "Build your homes on the slopes of Vesuvius!"

                          Vesuvius, of course, being the volcano that destroyed Pompeii, Italy.

                          The thought being that you can't control everything in life, and you shouldn't let worrying about it too much destroy your quality of life.

                          Or as Frank Herbert wrote in his book "Dune"

                          "Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration."
                          -Sparky

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                          • #28
                            Sparky and all,

                            I spoke with some local officials here in Tulsa this morning. Also sent e-mail to the agency they referred me to.

                            The government agency FEMA is the source of such information, even to reactions to nuclear strikes, and therefore, any website set up will be duplicating FEMA. The glaring difference would be that FEMA has a dedicated staff to run their site (and our tax money to throw at it too ).

                            So this idea may expire on the rocks of common sense.

                            Jim Burnes
                            Chicken Little

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                            • #29
                              I've been searching around too and am also finding alot of other stuff out there. FAS has always been my favorite, but some of that other stuff was pretty good to.

                              I think with current events and all, we will see many of these sites improve, including FEMA.

                              We can backburner the idea for now and still share info here. And if we ever feel like maybe we should do something, we can run with it.
                              -Sparky

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                              • #30
                                Sparky, maybe we can start a new topic on this like was done after 9-11?

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