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  • Proof of US guns going to mexica

    This was in the NY Times on 07/09/2009.

    NATIONAL BRIEFING | SOUTHWEST
    Texas: Agent Arrested in Gun Case
    By JAMES C. McKINLEY JR.
    Published: July 9, 2009
    An F.B.I. agent in El Paso has been arrested and charged with dealing guns, some of which ended up being used in gunfights between the authorities and drug dealers in Mexico, law enforcement officials said. The agent, John T. Shipley, was indicted Wednesday on charges he dealt firearms without a license for more than two years, buying the weapons from dealers on the Internet and then reselling them to unidentified buyers. Mr. Shipley sold more than 50 weapons, the indictment said. Some were recovered after shootouts between the Mexican Army and drug dealers in Chihuahua on March 8 last year that left seven dead, officials said. Mr. Shipley, who was released on bond this week, has been suspended without pay since March 2009, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said.
    Just pay your dues, and be quiet :-)

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    There are obviously some guns going from the US to Mexico - but the overall number probably is not that great. I would guess that the vast majority of "illegal" guns are originally property of the Mexican government (police, military, etc.) and are stolen or 'misplaced' by their own solidiers and cops. They are also flowing in from other Latin American nations.


    The price on the 'black market' for full-auto weaponry is likely lower than semi-auto guns obtained through "straw purchases" from legal firearms dealers in the USA. Black-market purchasers also don't have to bother with that pesky paperwork.

    Seems to me all of this stuff is just another way to force "global gun control" down our throats. Why don't they ever bring up the fact that so many places where guns are illegal seem to have such high rates of violent crime? Why not control their criminals instead of our guns? Damn tyrants!


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    Last edited by VA Dutch; 07-12-2009, 09:33 AM.

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    • #3
      It isn't news at all. We know that US guns have been going down to mexico to fuel their drug wars. It's a good thing this FBI agent is caught and exposed. The main blame like someone said is the Mexican governments inability to control their own gun supplies.

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      • #4
        Here is the indictment:
        http://kdbc.images.worldnow.com/imag...Indictment.pdf

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        • #5
          What makes it bad is that our guns end up down there and then we buy the drugs from them which keeps them in business.
          yeah!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Prov1x View Post
            What makes it bad is that our guns end up down there and then we buy the drugs from them which keeps them in business.
            that's how the world functions apparently with a lot of countries and the US. They sell us their crap we become addicted to it, we sell them weapons so they can kill each other with them. It all works out.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Prov1x View Post
              What makes it bad is that our guns end up down there and then we buy the drugs from them which keeps them in business.
              The reason so many drugs are imported from Mexico is because of their government's inability to stop it.

              It is much more expensive to run a drug operation in the US, where you cannot simply kill/bribe whoever gets in your way.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nobody View Post
                  no it's not, its because there is a market for the drugs in the US
                  This is a market for drugs everywhere in the world.

                  However law enforcement in the United States makes it more difficult to manufacture drugs here than in Mexico. It's easier to import the drugs across the border than it is to make them here.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Prov1x View Post
                    What makes it bad is that our guns end up down there and then we buy the drugs from them which keeps them in business.
                    NAFTA at it's finest

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                      • #12
                        Look. Everytime a gun is sent through the ATF system to track where it came from and they get a hit, that means it has come through the US at some point. What you DON'T hear about are how many guns DON'T generate a hit through ATF because they've come from some other country. This includes pistols, rifles, full-auto/select-fire rifles, up to and including hand grenades.

                        Yes, as a country with weapons which directly shares a border with Mexico, some of our weapons will make it across - normally using the exact same shipping routes for drugs and money. If we're not stopping the dope coming up into the States, we sure as hell won't be able to stop guns and money going back South.

                        Don't be a sheeple and think that if US firearms didn't make it into Mexico that their violence would stop. If you think that, you're truly a moron. Quick reading bits a pieces of info and relying on that for your information. Take a step back, look at the whole picture and use your God-given intelligence to see that the US is not the sole supplier of arms and ammo to Mexico.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nobody View Post
                          how, precisely, do you manufacture cocaine, (crack), and heroin in the US

                          Crack is almost exclusively made in the US. You just need the coke and you can get the rest in any 7-11 or supermarket. I have never heard of, nor seen crack being imported into the US. Just cocaine.
                          The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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