Riots in the streets of...

[jarhead6073]

Minneapolis... stupid people rioting...

Police were trying to serve a search warrant when somebody unleashed a pit bull on one of the officers. The officer shot the dog, the bullet ricocheted off a sidewalk and hit an 11 year old boy in the forearm. And of course it's the police offices fault for not wanting to get mauled by a pit bull.

Why do people think that it's ok to destroy a news crews car and a city bus because they're ****ed off?

[rugbyman]

Im on my way JH, I'll bring 2 PR24's one for each hand

[Mike Tx]

If they are throwing rocks at the police, why didn't the police shoot them? Isn't hitting someone with a rock deadly force?

[klar]

Simply being hit with a rock is not enough of a warrent for use of deadly force last I remember unless of course it is a awfully big rock. In most riot situations it is not a good thing to just start firing into the crowd even though at times you may want to. It is much better to get plenty of back up and get control of the crowd before they get too big and too destructive to handle. I look at it this way. A few broken windows can be replaced- people can not be. I am glad that it was disperced without any arrests or injuries that were life threatening to any officers.

Klar

[Mike Tx]

I don't know. I think if you were to get hit in the head with a rock, it could kill you. I've been hit with a brick in the body, and I would have liked to avoid that had I been aware of it. You can't imagine how that hurt. My back still aches where it hit.

[ 08-23-2002, 05:18 AM: Message edited by: MikeTx ]

[klar]

Oh I am full aware of how painful it is to be hit by flying rocks. I was stoned in Saudi Arabia before coming back from the gulf war it is a experiance I do not want to have repeated. Most rocks and debris that people tend to throw are smaller than a brick and will not be as likely to kill you. But my statement still stands It would be very unwise for a officer to shoot someone just because that person threw a rock at him. I guess that is one of those things you have to suck up and take the hit.

Klar

[Frank Booth]

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If they are throwing rocks at the police, why didn't the police shoot them? Isn't hitting someone with a rock deadly force?

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If the officer reasonably thought he or somone else was going to be killed or seriously injured if he didn't shoot the rock-thrower, deadly force would be justified in most places. I don't know how you'd justify shooting him after the rock was already in the air, unless you were blasting him to stop the next rock after he reloaded, or uless the rock killed someone and you were shooting him to prevent his escape. I woudln't suggest shooting rock throwers in this county. Better to gas them if you have the means. Or you could fire hose them unless the local populace would compare you to Bull Connor.

[Watchman]

Throwing rocks at people with guns ?

I remember watching the news with my dad when I was a young kid back in the 60's.It seemed like back then, everytime you turned on the TV somebody somewhere in a big city was having a riot. It was the same thing everytime, lines of police with shields and helmets,people in massesthrowing rocks,sticks and bottles at cops.Cops would launch tear gas, people would pick them up and throw them back.

Even so, he would make it a point to tell me that if I ever got stupid enough to throw a rock at somebody with gun, that I deserved to get shot, and if I did and lived to tell about it, he didnt want to hear me whining about it.

I guess it stuck with me. A peacable gathering of protesters is one thing. When it gets ugly and people start getting hurt and property starts getting tore up its quite another thing.

I say start shooting ...with non lethal ammo first. Rubber bullets,pepperbuck sandbags,whatever.If that dont work, maybe whacking a few of the more violent ones would work.One thing about it, once the people saw blood, they would want to get out of dodge. It would be ugly at first, but once the word was out, the rock throwing and the property damgages might quit.

Really, taking out people that throw rocks at people with guns would only serve to clean up the gene pool.

Just a thought...

[Cancop]

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Originally posted by Watchman:
Throwing rocks at people with guns ?

I say start shooting ...with non lethal ammo first. Rubber bullets,pepperbuck sandbags,whatever.If that dont work, maybe whacking a few of the more violent ones would work.One thing about it, once the people saw blood, they would want to get out of dodge. It would be ugly at first, but once the word was out, the rock throwing and the property damgages might quit.

Really, taking out people that throw rocks at people with guns would only serve to clean up the gene pool.

Just a thought...

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I was with you up until you started talking about "whacking a few of the more violent ones...once the people saw blood, they would want to get out of dodge".

Glad you're not on my shift.

[ 08-23-2002, 10:57 AM: Message edited by: Cancop ]

[Mike Tx]

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Glad you're not on my shift

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By all means, don't hurt the violent crimianls. It might vilate their rights.

[shooter1201]

Ask Reginald Denny about rocks, bricks, etc....

Yeah, I know.......

[HNDLC3]

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Originally posted by klar:
I am glad that it was disperced without any arrests or injuries that were life threatening to any officers.
Klar

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If anyone was injured, especially an officer or other city/county/state employee, I sure hope someone gets arrested. What do I care? I care cuz it's my taxes that are now going to be paying for this officer's treatment and recovery. What if he's disabled? There's even more money. Arrest the bastard, because he not only injured the officer, he also injured everyone else by taking money out of their pocket. For the rest of that idiot's life, half of his paycheck should go to the officer or to repay the medical/psychological costs of rehabilitating the injured person until it is paid off and/or the officer returns to duty. Don't EVEN get me into the principles, ethics, and morals (or lack thereof) of throwing anything at anyone with the intent to maim, injure or kill.

[ 08-23-2002, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: HNDLC3 ]

[SpecOpsWarrior]

"I guess that is one of those things you have to suck up and take the hit."

Negative!!

Ability, oppurtunity, and jeopardy! If the flingee is close enough to hit me with the rock, which can do serious bodily harm, depending on the size of the rock, and the flingee begins to throw it, he's gonna get shot.

Now if its a pebble, no I'm not gonna kill somebody. But if it's big enough that I can see it, say roughly golfball sized, it's big enough to cause me serious harm or kill me.

[ 08-24-2002, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: SpecOpsWarrior ]

[Mike Tx]

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Originally posted by SpecOpsWarrior:
"I guess that is one of those things you have to suck up and take the hit."

Negative!!

Availability, oppurtunity, and jeopardy! If the flingee is close enough to hit me with the rock, which can do serious bodily harm, depending on the size of the rock, and the flingee begins to throw it, he's gonna get shot.

Now if its a pebble, no I'm not gonna kill somebody. But if it's big enough that I can see it, say roughly golfball sized, it's big enough to cause me serious harm or kill me.

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My thoughts exactly. Why do you think people say it should be accepted? Is it some BS notion that police are paid to do that? That's ridiculous if that's why.

[Sam]

The whole thing makes me sick. I guess we can't say anything bad about the no justice no peace rioting culture either. About shooting I would have to be there to say what I would do. If you have a pistol and they are throwing from 40 yards away and you don't know what is behind them, not shooting might be my choice. Boy would I be mad though.