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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28807952/


    Analysis: Abrupt end to 'war on terror'
    Obama signals that America's reach in battling enemies will not be limitless
    ANALYSIS
    By Dana Priest
    The Washington Post
    updated 4:13 a.m. CT, Fri., Jan. 23, 2009
    WASHINGTON - President Obama yesterday eliminated the most controversial tools employed by his predecessor against terrorism suspects. With the stroke of his pen, he effectively declared an end to the "war on terror," as President George W. Bush had defined it, signaling to the world that the reach of the U.S. government in battling its enemies will not be limitless.

    While Obama says he has no plans to diminish counterterrorism operations abroad, the notion that a president can circumvent long-standing U.S. laws simply by declaring war was halted by executive order in the Oval Office.

    Key components of the secret structure developed under Bush are being swept away: The military's Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, facility, where the rights of habeas corpus and due process had been denied detainees, will close, and the CIA is now prohibited from maintaining its own overseas prisons. And in a broad swipe at the Bush administration's lawyers, Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001.

    It was a swift and sudden end to an era that was slowly drawing to a close anyway, as public sentiment grew against perceived abuses of government power. The feisty debate over the tactics employed against al-Qaeda began more than six years ago as whispers among confidants with access to the nation's most tightly held secrets. At the time, there was consensus in Congress and among the public that the United States would be attacked again and that government should do what was necessary to thwart the threat.

    Disappearances
    The CIA, which had taken the lead on counterterrorism operations worldwide, asked intelligence contacts around the globe to help its teams of covert operatives and clandestine military units identify, kill or capture terrorism suspects. They set up their first interrogation center in a compound walled off by black canvas at Bagram air base in Afghanistan, and more at tiny bases throughout that country, where detainees could be questioned outside military rules and the protocols of the Geneva Conventions, which lay out the standards for treatment of prisoners of war.


    As the CIA recruited young case officers, polygraphers and medical personnel to work on interrogation teams, the agency's leaders asked its allies in Thailand and Eastern Europe to set up secret prisons where people such as Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh could be held in isolation and subjected to extreme sleep and sensory deprivation, waterboarding and sexual humiliation. These tactics are not permitted under military rules or the Geneva Conventions.

    Over time, a tiny circle of federal employees outside these teams got access to some of the reports of interrogations. Some were pleased by the new aggressiveness. Others were horrified. They began to push back gingerly, as did an even smaller number of congressional officials briefed on the reports.

    Eventually their worries reached a handful of reporters trying to confirm rumors of people who seemed to have disappeared: a Pakistani microbiologist spirited away in the dead of night in Indonesia. An Afghan prisoner frozen to death at a base code-named the Salt Pit. A German citizen who did not get back on his bus at a border crossing in Macedonia.


    Front companies and fictitious people were used to hide a system of aircraft that carried terrorism suspects to "undisclosed locations" and to third countries under a little-known practice called rendition.

    Reporters Unlike the federal employees, who could go to jail for disclosing the classified program, the reporters and their news outlets were protected by the Constitution -- but not from government pressure. Then-CIA Director Porter J. Goss and, later, Bush summoned top editors of The Washington Post to press their case against disclosing the existence of the secret prison network.

    The published reports in The Post and elsewhere earned the news media sharp recriminations from the administration, the Republican leadership in Congress and the public. Government leak investigations were launched. Bush administration officials argued that such methods and operations were necessary to effectively thwart terrorism, noting to this day that there have been no major attacks since 2001.

    If there were dissenters back then, they were largely silent.

    But in Europe, the reports set off a firestorm of criticism and government investigations in nearly every capital. Washington was pressured to move prisoners out of the secret jails. U.S. government officials scattered throughout the national security and foreign policy agencies scrambled to learn more about operations they knew little about. A growing chorus within the CIA and the State Department began to question how long the secret system of detention and interrogation could survive, and drew up plans for an alternative.

    By then, the color-coded terrorist alerts had ended. Police disappeared from roadblocks around the Capitol. Washington the fortress drew millions of visitors again. Some Democratic members of Congress replaced the "war on terror" phraseology with language indicating vigilance and persistence, but not unending combat and military-only options.

    On Sept. 6, 2006, Bush announced the transfer of 14 "high-value detainees" from secret prisons to Guantanamo. He suspended the CIA program, but defended its utility and reserved the right to reopen it. The secret was officially out.


    Questioning, dissent
    Over the next 2 1/2 years, as Democrats gained power in Congress, as the violence in Iraq sapped public support for the president and as the fear of another terrorist attack receded, the debate over secret prisons, renditions and harsh interrogations grew louder. Presidential candidates felt comfortable to include these sensitive subjects in the debate on the efficiency of Bush's war against terrorists, and even on the notion that it was still a war.

    During his campaign and again in his inaugural address Tuesday, Obama used a different lexicon to describe operations to defeat terrorists. "As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals," he said. ". . . And for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you."


    © 2009 The Washington Post Company
    URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28807952/
    ‘Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.’
    Oscar Wilde

  • #2
    The headline is not substantiated by the story.

    We are continuing to attack terrorists. Now, we just kill them so there is is no fuss about it.


    Suspected US Missile Strike Kills 8 Near Al-Qaeda Pakistan Hub

    MIRANSHAH (AFP)--A suspected U.S. missile strike killed five foreign Al-Qaeda militants and three locals near an Al-Qaeda hub in Pakistan's northwest tribal belt, security officials said.

    It was the first suspected U.S. missile strike since U.S. President Barack Obama took office in Washington and came one day after he appointed veteran diplomat Richard Holbrooke special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    There have been more than two dozen such strikes on northwest Pakistan since August, sparking angry government criticism of the U.S., a close ally which is believed to be launching the missiles from unmanned CIA aircraft.

    "There was a missile strike just outside Mir Ali, in North Waziristan. The strike was at 5:10 p.m. (1210 GMT)," a security official told AFP.

    Eight people died when up to three missiles fired from an unmanned surveillance plane slammed into a fortress-like militant compound.

    "A militant den was successfully destroyed. At least five foreign Al-Qaeda militants were killed and three locals, but there was no immediate confirmation of any high value target," a security official said.

    The missiles slammed into the den just outside Mir Ali, 25 kilometers (16 miles) east of Miranshah, the main town of North Waziristan district in the lawless tribal belt along Pakistan's border with Afghanistan.

    Mir Ali is a hub of militant activity linked to Al-Qaeda.

    Pakistan has repeatedly protested to the U.S. that drone strikes violate its territorial sovereignty and deepen resentment among the 160 million people of the nuclear-armed Islamic nation.

    President Asif Ali Zardari and army chief General Ashfaq Kayani last raised concerns of a domestic backlash in talks with the top U.S. commander for southwest Asia, General David Petraeus, in Islamabad on Tuesday.

    "Pakistan expressed concern over the drone attacks and hoped that the new administration will take into consideration the negative impact domestically of such attacks for the democratic government," a government official had said.

    The U.S. military as a rule does not confirm drone attacks, but it and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operating in neighboring Afghanistan are the only forces that deploy drones in the region.

    On Thursday, Obama said extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan, where U.S. troops are fighting Taliban insurgents, posed a grave threat which his administration would tackle as a single problem under a wider strategy.

    "There is no answer in Afghanistan that does not confront the Al-Qaeda and Taliban bases along the border, and there will be no lasting peace unless we expand spheres of opportunity for the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan," Obama said.

    (END) Dow Jones Newswires
    01-23-091028ET
    Copyright (c) 2009 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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    • #3
      I'm glad he ended it. Honestly, the "War On Terror" just can't be won. Stopping all terrorism 100% is impossible. Though, I agree with Obama that our military should be focused on Afghanistan. Thats how it should have been from the beginning.
      "Yeah
      Come clean, 'fess up
      Tell all, spill gut
      Off the veil, stand revealed
      Show the cards
      Bring it on
      Break the seal

      Swing the noose again
      Peirce the apple skin
      You bit more than you need
      Now you're choking
      On a bad seed
      On a bad seed" - Metallica

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Steve354
        It's about time it come to an end. Bring them all home i say.
        Great.....

        So when's Al-Qaeda going to end it? So when's Hamas going to end it? So when's Hezbollah going to end it?

        Originally posted by Lawbringer View Post
        I'm glad he ended it. Honestly, the "War On Terror" just can't be won. Stopping all terrorism 100% is impossible. Though, I agree with Obama that our military should be focused on Afghanistan. Thats how it should have been from the beginning.
        1) He didn't "end" anything.

        2) Sure it can be won - by wiping out terrorist organizations.

        3) Iraq was an important front in the war too. People quickly forget (or in the case of the left, ignore) Saddam's ties to terrorism.
        Last edited by equinox137; 01-23-2009, 04:32 PM.
        "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

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        • #5
          Not Me...

          Perhaps it would be better to deal with the terrorists on OUR soil...I think not,

          NOT ME!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Steve354
            So are you saying that it is not time to end it. ??
            Yes, sir. That's exactly what I'm saying...

            Originally posted by Steve354
            unfortunately there well be wars agaist terrorism which I think is manly about the oil flieds. Somehow we need to keep ourselfs out of these war zones.
            And the fact that the goal of Islam has been to establish a worldwide caliphate since it was founded by Mohammed has nothing to do with it???

            The war is not going to end because we say we're "ending" it. All that will mean is we'll just stop fighting. It doesn't mean that they won't.
            "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ArmyAndrew21
              Keep your Australian opinions to yourself...
              While I disagree with him, that is uncalled for.

              It's not like he was being obnoxious about it, like some of the other libs that post here.

              Originally posted by ArmyAndrew21
              Ending the war on terror and closing Gitmo and the other CIA interragtion places in my opinion is completey stupid.
              Ya, lets battle terrorism on our own soil and not the terrorist...Obama is stupid.
              +1
              "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Steve354
                So are you saying that it is not time to end it. ?? unfortunately there well be wars agaist terrorism which I think is manly about the oil flieds. Somehow we need to keep ourselfs out of these war zones.
                I SERIOUSLY think you should reconsider what you just said. Ranting about America yes.. it's your opinion, and I see you're really mad right now with something we've done to **** you off in one way or another, but if you are going to go on one of those conspiracy rants, get off the site... this site is full of people who are angrier with people who say this than me. They'll all suggest the same.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by equinox137 View Post
                  1) He didn't "end" anything.

                  2) Sure it can be won - by wiping out terrorist organizations.

                  3) Iraq was an important front in the war too. People quickly forget (or in the case of the left, ignore) Saddam's ties to terrorism.
                  1. Well hes obviously going to. Are you going to stop him? [/sarcasm]

                  2. Yeah. And its been 8 years since the war on terrorism started and our military is pretty exhausted. What major achievements have we made against terrorism other than capturing some terrorist leaders along with Suddam Hussein? And they're STILL going at it. The "War on Terror" would go on for decades if not for Obama.

                  3. Iraq. And exactly where are the terrorists in Iraq? All I see and hear about are the Sunnis, Shiites and the Kurds fighting over religion. Thats not exactly terrorism. Its just a conflict between three groups. The terrorists are now all coming from the outside regions of Iraq and get attacked by most Iraqis who don't even like them. All of the terrorists are in Afghanistan. If anything, Afghanistan is where we should be only.
                  "Yeah
                  Come clean, 'fess up
                  Tell all, spill gut
                  Off the veil, stand revealed
                  Show the cards
                  Bring it on
                  Break the seal

                  Swing the noose again
                  Peirce the apple skin
                  You bit more than you need
                  Now you're choking
                  On a bad seed
                  On a bad seed" - Metallica

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                  • #10
                    Talk about "ending" the "war on terrorism" is pure semantics.

                    Obviously, we are continuing to fight terrorists in Afganistan, Pakistan and Iraq. Less overtly, we are fighting against terrorism elsewhere, including the US, too.
                    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      1. Well hes obviously going to. Are you going to stop him? [/sarcasm]

                      Not his call either, Is he going to stop Al Qaeda? [/Sarcasm] No the fight ends when the threat is gone.

                      2. Yeah. And its been 8 years since the war on terrorism started and our military is pretty exhausted. (I feel Fine... Thanks though.) What major achievements have we made against terrorism other than capturing some terrorist leaders (<-- Major Achievement) along with Suddam Hussein? And they're STILL going at it. The "War on Terror" would go on for decades if not for Obama. (Ok how do you know this?)

                      3. Iraq. And exactly where are the terrorists in Iraq? All I see and hear about are the Sunnis, Shiites and the Kurds fighting over religion. Thats not exactly terrorism. Its just a conflict between three groups. The terrorists are now all coming from the outside regions of Iraq (<--Didn't you just ask where the terrorists were in Iraq? if they are coming from outside, that means they are inside Iraq now right?) and get attacked by most Iraqis who don't even like them. All of the terrorists are in Afghanistan. If anything, Afghanistan is where we should be only.(<-- Wow, that's where ALL of them are huh? Forget the Phillippines, Malaysia, Horn of Africa, P-stan, THE FREAKING FT DIX 6!)
                      Do you work for the CIA? seriously...

                      M-11
                      “All men dream...... But not equally..
                      Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it is vanity;
                      but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,
                      for they act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible.....”

                      TE Lawrence

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Steve354
                        Just in case you do not know America Is not alone in this war. Australia is there to along side the US as we have been for 91 years. What is so stupid is keeping it going when lifes are being lost. This war has gone for to long now and I am dam sure that there many other people out there who feel the some way.

                        How many more lifes have to be lost before this war is over.???
                        Well lets see... How many people were killed when Al Qaeda bombed the U.S. embassies in Africa and the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen during the Clinton administration? Even though we weren't at war (we were busy trying to figure out how to investigate/prosecute the perpetrators as "criminals" w/o success), they had already declared war on us.

                        When President Bush was in office, the "9-11" attacks were launched after being planned for years and they killed over 3,000 U.S. citizens. After that, the U.S. decided perhaps trying to deal with these animals in criminal courts just wasn't going to work. After all, how would we get the planners arrested and extradited from Afghanistan when they were sheltered and supported by that country's government?

                        Now that Obama's pulled a "Vietnam" act (declare "victory" and split) Bin Laden and his ilk will become even more bold, like they did after we pulled out of the peace keeping mission in Somalia. OBL has declared for years, that the U.S. is weak, doesn't have the stomach or determination to win and (like "all infidels") will be forced to submit by those who recognize what it takes to win a war- a willingness to outlast your opponent.
                        "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by M-11 View Post
                          Not his call either, Is he going to stop Al Qaeda? [/Sarcasm] No the fight ends when the threat is gone.

                          I feel Fine... Thanks though.

                          Ok how do you know this?

                          Didn't you just ask where the terrorists were in Iraq? if they are coming from outside, that means they are inside Iraq now right?

                          Wow, that's where ALL of them are huh? Forget the Phillippines, Malaysia, Horn of Africa, P-stan, THE FREAKING FT DIX 6!

                          Do you work for the CIA? seriously...

                          M-11
                          It also wasn't Bush's right to go into Iraq when he didn't have UN approval. Yet, he invaded anyway. But hes Bush, so that was OK, right?

                          You know, I'm not 100% sure, but the last time I checked, the military wasn't just ONE soldier (i.e you)...

                          http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/mccain.king/
                          And that man could have been our President.

                          Right, but if they're hated by 90% of the people in Iraq, whats the point of remaining in the country? Is Iraq not yet ready to police and protect themselves?

                          Well, if they're all over the world, I guess we should eliminate them all completely then. Lets see if Obama agrees to go after them all just like Bush wanted.
                          "Yeah
                          Come clean, 'fess up
                          Tell all, spill gut
                          Off the veil, stand revealed
                          Show the cards
                          Bring it on
                          Break the seal

                          Swing the noose again
                          Peirce the apple skin
                          You bit more than you need
                          Now you're choking
                          On a bad seed
                          On a bad seed" - Metallica

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                          • #14
                            terrorism like criminals are a never ending battle.

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                            • #15
                              It also wasn't Bush's right to go into Iraq when he didn't have UN approval. Yet, he invaded anyway. But hes Bush, so that was OK, right?
                              Yes. Because the other branches of the Government allowed him too, and even voted on it.

                              You know, I'm not 100% sure, but the last time I checked, the military wasn't just ONE soldier (i.e you)...
                              Actually it is an Army of one now. There's commercials and everything...

                              Right, but if they're hated by 90% of the people in Iraq, whats the point of remaining in the country? Is Iraq not yet ready to police and protect themselves?

                              Well, if they're all over the world, I guess we should eliminate them all completely then. Lets see if Obama agrees to go after them all just like Bush wanted.
                              Who are the "They" we are talking about?

                              M-11
                              “All men dream...... But not equally..
                              Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it is vanity;
                              but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,
                              for they act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible.....”

                              TE Lawrence

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