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  • #31
    Originally posted by ManInTan View Post
    wow - i feel like I am in high-school again... who cares if he invented the thing or not... its the internet.

    Afterall I have a sixpack and make 6 million a year.
    I think the guy's trying to defraud investors. I care if a scam artist comes and tries to ply his trade on a police forum. I'm pretty confident that he's not merely into self-aggrandizement.
    Last edited by Monty Ealerman; 09-22-2008, 10:21 AM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by nemoleg View Post
      I have removed my messages. I hoped to discuss ours Pull Down Gun, instead of my person.
      Now I cannot open all details of the invention as our international patent application now is not published. I could inform more information about PDG, but I am offended with mistrust.
      I leave a forum. I can come back, if Mr. Monty and similar to him, will delete discussion of my person.
      Editing out stuff you said isn't the same as not having said it in the first place.

      You didn't edit for clarification or correction; you're running and hiding because you were outed as a liar.

      So your defense is that you feel offended? That you have to protect patentability? Why didn't you say that in response to my statement to the effect that I wasn't asking you to reveal trade secrets? I didn't ask for trade secrets. I asked questions that gave you the chance to show that you understood the technology. You don't understand it. You're running a scam to get funding.

      I didn't directly attack your person. I challenged the veracity of your statements, and asked some technical questions. When you didn't provide any appropriate answers, I concluded that you were lying.

      You couldn't provide any answers, and now offer the weak excuse of trade secrets.

      You're not going to patent the use of such-and-such capacitor, this or that propellant, so-and-so metal being used. It's prior art. You can't patent the use of pre-existing components. I asked you only about components. You could answer my technical questions without compromising trade secrets if you knew any of the answers.

      I asked you what was used to sterilize the barbs, and you presented the facetious answer that you used vodka, and acted as if the question was as silly as the answer.

      You made it personal when you put my name on your stupid website.

      Lots of con artists resort to acting "offended with mistrust", when they are caught in a lie.

      You could answer my other questions too if I were wrong in my surmises.

      The best way for you to keep from getting busted is to make sure you don't accept money from anyone if you've made a material misrepresentation of fact to him. Since you've lied to the whole world about this, you can't legally take any money for this from anyone, unless you first disabuse him of any belief he may have in the falsities you've presented.

      Go ahead and leave. Good riddance. You're still on my personal investigation list.

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      • #33
        This stupid video is currently sponsored by Harrah's Casino.

        http://www.metacafe.com/watch/175027..._gun_vs_taser/

        I don't like gambling organizations, but I'm going to point out to Harrah's that the purported device is in the video described as using "bare wires", i.e. noninsulated wires, and is described as having "multishot" capability, with absolutely no account being given regarding how much time is required between shots.

        In this fictional device, that has 2 wires going from it to the target, does the"multishot" capability cause the second shot to cause the first shot's wires to be disconnected, so that the duration of the first shock is interrupted?

        Or does it cause the device to manage 4 wires?

        Can the fictional device supply 10 separate deployments at once?

        What freaking nonsense.

        I tried to give this guy a chance to explain some things about the technology, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to language barrier concerns, but his running away makes it pretty clear to me that he's just a plain old liar.

        I'm going to take these fraud guys down. Just watch. They won't be running this scam next year.
        Last edited by Monty Ealerman; 09-23-2008, 02:06 AM.

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        • #34
          OK I just sent my email to Harrah's. I hope they withdraw their support. Now I'm going to go to metacafe and see if I can get them to quit hosting the video.

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          • #35
            Harrah's got back to me and said they're investigating too.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
              Please forgive me Taylor, but why would you slaughter a perfectly innocent pig just to eat pork chops? Uh, so you can eat pork chops?

              We use animals. Sorry. I think we should be diligent about not being cruel about it.

              Even so, I think testing electronic incapacition devices on pigs is a reasonable thing do do, given that we need to know what they'll do before we use them on humans.

              Regards,

              Monty
              Killing to eat pigs and then tasing them for the hell of it (I could be wrong) seem to be two completely different things.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Taylor13 View Post
                Killing to eat pigs and then tasing them for the hell of it (I could be wrong) seem to be two completely different things.
                Hi Taylor,

                I respect your disdain for people abusing animals. I agree that those are two different things, but I don't agree that the testing of electronic incapacitation devices on pigs is "for the hell of it". It's not normally done just to show off the device, although I think it could look that way in the video. It's done so people can have a reasonable basis for predicting how the devices will affect humans, humans being the anticipated targets.

                Regards,

                Monty

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                • #38
                  Oh good. The fraud video is now removed from metacafe. Thanks, Harrah's. Thanks, metacafe. Onward.

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                  • #39
                    Oh good. It's gone away at youtube now, too. Onward.

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                    • #40
                      Oh well, the guy put his nonsense vid back today at metacafe with a new sponsor. I'm going to email metacafe about it. The new sponsor isn't as big as the prior one.

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                      • #41
                        Update: here's what you get when you click on the "company" web page link today:
                        Яндекс 404 Нет такой страницы

                        Несуществующая страница

                        Страница, которую вы читаете, не существует.

                        Верные способы попасть в никуда:

                        * написать рудз.yandex.ru вместо help.yandex.ru (скачайте и установите Punto Switcher, если не хотите больше так ошибаться)
                        * написать inex.html, idnex.html или index.htm вместо index.html

                        Если вы считаете, что мы завели вас сюда специально, опубликовав неверную ссылку, пришлите нам эту ссылку по адресу [email protected].

                        А если вы действительно хотите что-то найти в интернете, воспользуйтесь настоящим поиском Яндекса:

                        И помните: вы это не читали.
                        Что такое страница 404/403?
                        �*того баннера здесь нет
                        © 2009 «Яндекс» О компании
                        What matters there is the "404" indicating that the page is not found on the server.

                        And if you click on the metacafe video link you get the code 15 "video was removed" message.

                        So as predicted, here it is "next year", and they're apparently not still running their stupid scam.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                          OK, I don't believe you, but if you're the inventors, how about answering some technical questions?

                          If you can answer them appropriately, I'll stop saying I think you're not the inventors.
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                          What can you say about the capacitors the devices use? 
                                  What's their dielectric material?
                                  What's their conductive material?
                                  What's their charge acquistion rate?
                                  How fast do they discharge?
                                  Where in the devices are they located?
                          What's the propellant?
                          What metal is used in the probes?
                          How are the probes sterilized?
                          Where are the batteries?
                          What is their capacity?
                          How is the device charged electrically?
                          Where is the stepup coil?
                          What determines the pulse rate?
                                  Is a 555 timer IC or equivalent used?
                                  Is an oscillator used?
                                  Is the pulse rate based at all on the capacitor charge/discharge rate?
                          What are the specifics of the actuation mechanism?
                                  How many pounds or grams is the trigger pull?
                                  What kind of switch or switches are actuated by the trigger?
                                  Is the triggering mechanism mechanical, electronic, or a combination?
                          How is the device grounded?
                          I look forward to your response.
                          In the electronic circuit of prototype S5 were used double metallized film pulse capacitor, polypropylene dielectric - PHE450-type. Total capacity the capacitors - 62nF. Capacitors were charged up to a voltage 2500V.
                          As the propellant S5 of projectile it was used 1/2 Small Pistol Primer.
                          The body of probes is made of a steel tube (304 steel alloy). The head of a probe in various variants was made of copper, a brass or Rose alloy. In shooting from prototype S5 not sterilized probes were used.
                          The power supply of the electronic circuit - the recharged 9,6V battery (8 Ñ… 1,2V NiMH 600mAh). The battery was placed in the pistol handle. For recharge batteries, S5 has a jack for the tip charger.
                          High-voltage transformer S5 it is placed before magazine for cartridges.
                          In the electronic circuit of prototype S5 the converter of a voltage was on the basis of the Russian controller 1211ЕУ1. The pulse rate of prototype S5 was 100÷150 Hz.
                          The trigger pull - 4000 grams. Moving of the trigger -16 mm. The trigger moves cartridges from magazine on a position of a shot. At the end of moving the trigger the DM-series miniature micro switch start up the electronic circuit of the device.

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                          • #43
                            Wow, didn't think I'd see this one rise from the grave.
                            There are basically two kinds of people in this world. Those that believe in the moon landing and those that don't.
                            http://unistat76.blogspot.com/

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                            • #44
                              Oh dear God my eyes are gonna bleed. :-/
                              NRA Life Member

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by nemoleg View Post
                                In the electronic circuit of prototype S5 were used double metallized film pulse capacitor, polypropylene dielectric - PHE450-type. Total capacity the capacitors - 62nF. Capacitors were charged up to a voltage 2500V.
                                62 nanofarad = 6.2e-8 coulomb/volt.
                                Energy in joules equals one half farads times volts squared.
                                0.5*0.0000000062*6250000=0.019375
                                OK so your fictional device can deliver about .02 joules.
                                The real devices deliver up to about 100 times that much energy.
                                Your fictional device obviously doesn't have capacity sufficient to incapacitate anyone. I think it's quite clear that you're being deceptive.

                                As the propellant S5 of projectile it was used 1/2 Small Pistol Primer.
                                Not very specific. The real devices use compressed nitrogen. They can send the projectiles at about 180 fps for about 15 feet.

                                The body of probes is made of a steel tube (304 steel alloy). The head of a probe in various variants was made of copper, a brass or Rose alloy. In shooting from prototype S5 not sterilized probes were used.
                                In the real devices the body of the projectile is made to be massive enough to deliver enough momentum to allow the contact to penetrate clothing.

                                The power supply of the electronic circuit - the recharged 9,6V battery (8 Ñ… 1,2V NiMH 600mAh).
                                Volts times amps equals watts.
                                One watt equals one joule per second.
                                9.6V*0.6A=5.76W
                                So you've got 3600 charges of 5.76 joule available in your battery.
                                But your 64nF capacitor at 2500V can deliver only about .02 joule to the target.

                                The battery was placed in the pistol handle. For recharge batteries, S5 has a jack for the tip charger. High-voltage transformer S5 it is placed before magazine for cartridges.
                                The real devices use about 50KV to establish the contact and then drop to about 1.2KV for about 20 pulses per second, as distinguished from your fictional devices, which charges to only 2.5KV max.

                                In the electronic circuit of prototype S5 the converter of a voltage was on the basis of the Russian controller 1211ЕУ1. The pulse rate of prototype S5 was 100÷150 Hz.
                                You're apparently referring to the AC frequency here. I was asking about the rate of delvery of shock pulses. You didn't properly answer the question.

                                The trigger pull - 4000 grams. Moving of the trigger -16 mm. The trigger moves cartridges from magazine on a position of a shot.
                                So your fictional device presumably doesn't have multiple shots connected to the device at the same time.

                                At the end of moving the trigger the DM-series miniature micro switch start up the electronic circuit of the device.
                                So it was in a stopped state regarding the previous round before the end of the trigger moving.

                                The whole thing is malarkey.

                                Please go away.

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