Maybe some of you fellow cops out there can help me solve a friendly ongoing argument in my department. Are police(town, city, county, state) civilians? One half says yes, only military are non-civilian. The other half says we are sworn personnel so we must act when a "civilian" can run away therefore we are not civilians. What are you basing your information on a resource, opinion, feeling, etc. Thanks for your input, STAY SAFE!
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It is about perspective I guess. I think the difference between the two are an "obligation" or those who swear a duty versus everyone else. Wheter it's the armed forces or any form of government service. Ive been "serving" in one way or another since 1987 and I probably will not consider myself a regular "civilian" til I retire. After my time in the Marine Corps and Career in L.E. I will put it all away and serve just myself and my family. I think if your job falls under my avatar in that you put your life on the line for a "service" you are in no way a regular civilian."Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. The MARINES don't have that problem." ....Ronald Reagan
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this came up on another forum and i had always believed that EVERYONE other than active duty military was a civilian. after several links to online dictionaries were posted, i realized that is NOT the case.
the definition of "civilian" doesn't only exclude military and police, but vagrants as well.
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Multiple definitions
Like many other words, "civilian" has several meanings, depending on the context. You are arguing over definition 3a vs 3b.
ci·vil·ian
1 a : one who practices or has made a special study of the Roman or modern civil law especially as distinguished from the canon law and the English common law b : one especially skilled in or devoted to the law affecting civil rights and remedies
2 : an employee in the former imperial civil service of India
3 a : a resident of a country who is not on active duty in one of the armed services b : a resident not an active member of a police or fire-fighting force organized with ranks like military ranksFacts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein
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to alot of cops military is a civilian.
A marine cant serve a warrant, arrest a criminal (other than CIVILIAN arrest) or write a summons. If a person says FU to a marine (F'ed up by the way) that marine cant lock them up for dis con or whatever.sigpic
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Originally posted by The Dude View PostI would consider anyone who's job it is to enforce the will of the government upon the citizenry and who has the authority to usurp the rights of the people to do so definitely NOT a civilian.
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Originally posted by gbotj View Postcan a marine tell a police officer what to do?
can a police officer tell a marine what to do?
Thats what makes them a civilian.
A civilian under international humanitarian law is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces. The term is also often used colloquially to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by law enforcement agencies, which often use rank structures similar to those of military units. - Wikipedia
I think that should explain it all.
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